Witnessing a death.

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  1. Cuz_77

    Cuz_77 Been here awhile

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    Saw a biker die today. I didn't know him. It was bad.

    I was directly behind the accident probably 2 football fields away. It was on perfect roads in a straight away. Guy crossed over yellow line hit 18 wheeler at the first tandem axle. 18 wheeler did all he could to avoid him.

    I'm a first responder, I have training...for stuff on the job, not "qualified". I drove past wreck turned back to other side of road. I had already saw his body in the ditch when I drive past. People come out of the house nearest the accident because they heard it honestly it had to sound like an explosion. I'm yelling call 911 get an ambulance. Somehow those people's dogs got out so I'm literally fighting them off the body till the lady that owned them got them away. At this point another person shows up, I still haven't gotten to check the guy. And honestly I did not want to see him. There was body parts on the road. It was ugly. He lost his right leg and if the impact didn't kill him the amount of blood loss did.

    I can not wrap my head around WHY. What happened he never even tried to correct the bike.
    Only thing I can imagine is something went wrong on the bike mechanically.

    I've been in tight situations at work. Million Dollar fuck ups all the time. It happens. I've made it this far because I do not panic. But not today. I was totally unprepared mentally. I kinda froze. It would not have mattered though.
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  2. toy4fun

    toy4fun GET out of the way

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    May I suggest a Critical Incident Stress Debriefing they do a world of good....contact you local FD
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  3. Dracula

    Dracula Dilettante

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    It is but a fine line, we are here today, tomorrow we may not be. In a way, for me, it's my perfect viking funeral if I'll be ever blessed such.
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  4. just jeff

    just jeff Long timer

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    You asked 'Why" It may have been a medical incident that caused his accident.
    It is not your fault. No one could have saved him even if there was a trauma team on site. I have been first on scene for 2 serious cage wreaks. Those images stay with you. All you can do is the best you can. No one can ask any more.
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  5. Westcoasthumpin

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    PTSD is real. toy4fun is correct to suggest critical incident debriefing. Your employer may also have some kind of employee assistance program that can hook you up with free counseling.
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  6. Westcoasthumpin

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    Probably will never know the why. A similar event happened a few years back near where I live. The guy was being investigated for scamming large sums of money from investors and it was highly likely suicide.
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  7. CaseyJones

    CaseyJones Ridin' that train

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    Could have been an air-pressure shockwave that he wasn't ready for...messing with clothing or controls; and when it hit him he lost it and went off to collide with the wheels.

    I've killed people at work...running a locomotive; a freight train. Never hit a car but I once hit two drunk pedestrians. Strangest thing...man and woman; I think the woman was drunk and angry at her man and had that instant inspiration to hurt him by killing herself. She did, all right...he got cut in half and from what I saw it looked like he was trying to pull her off.

    I didn't know them. They weren't upstanding citizens; they lived in a housing project nearby. But still...I was rattled. The railroad I worked for at the time offered a three-day time off to recover from something like that; and what with police and investigators all about, the two of us were taken off and the train, after photos, recrewed.

    I had no connection with them; but something like that is jarring enough to put a person off his beat. As you're seeing. It was good to have time away...walk it off, as it were; reset things.
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  8. fasttortoise

    fasttortoise Been here awhile

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    Heavy stuff. Thanks guys.
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    The images stay with you , just need to think of something else . I saw a 65mph head-on when an old lady was going the wrong way down a freeway , she died instantly but the gal that hit her was alive but trapped so bad and unconscious . Her car started to burn and all the fire extinguishers wouldn't stop it , I tried to stop flames from getting to her but couldn't and the smell of burning flesh sticks with you . Almost everyone arriving just stood there except handing over extinguishers. To this day I wish I'd hooked on to the car with my truck and twisted it around so the wind was blowing the flames away instead of toward her(or even down in the median where there was snow to slow the fire, but legal issues was in my mind) . She died of smoke inhalation , don't know how bad her injuries were.
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  10. ozmoses

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    I don't know that people are ever truly prepared for this sort of thing, just numbed to it...

    What you are doing here is what you clearly need to do- get it out.

    Easier said than done, I know.
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  11. Import

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    So sorry dude...that's a horrible thing to witness....get some assistance to guide you through it..all the best.
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  12. 2wheeldevildog

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    Sorry you had to see that. It's gonna take time to get over. Me and a buddy we riding and almost home when we came upon a rider covered in a sheet. It was a divided highway and straight road no reason to die there. Wonder if he was trying to wheallie because his bike was about 200 yards further down the road. All you could see was his white tennis shoes sticking out from the sheet.
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  13. NJ-Brett

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    You never know how you will react to things like that.
    Live long enough and you will likely find out though.

    I once came around a turn at night to find a car upside down in the road and burning.
    My friend and I pulled 4 guys out of the car and got them to a safe place, had someone go to a close by house to call 911, and after a bit we left.

    A few years ago, I watched a guy not make an easy turn and run into a tree.
    He was not moving and there was a lot of blood on his face.
    He was semi responsive so we let him lay and called 911.
    Shortly after, a fire truck stopped, they had been fighting a small fire not far away and they called it in also.
    I stuck around till they loaded him in the ambulance.
    New Harley, new gear, new rider most likely.
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  14. Barakaiki

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    So sorry about this. May the take away be that it informs all of our habits, and that we stay focused on the task at hand. I ALWAYS make it a point to tell my wife that I love her, on the most "routine" of rides.


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  15. Dranrab Luap

    Dranrab Luap E-Tarded Super Moderator

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    Talk it out. Be sure to be honest about your feelings. Today and forever. Death, and especially graphic death affects people differently. I am an odd sort. I am a major softie, but have never struggled emotionally with all the tragic and gruesome death I have witnessed.
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  16. BMgreenmt

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    Sorry to hear about your witnessing that accident. This stuff is hard to forget. I witnessed a fatal accident while stopped in an intersection about twenty years ago. Guy crashed into a telephone pole in the oncoming side. There was a noticeable smell of alcohol when a friend and I ran over to help, so that probably had something to do with the crash. I still think about that accident to this day. Luckily the guy that crashed hit the pole and no one else was hurt.
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  17. Cuz_77

    Cuz_77 Been here awhile

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    It's been almost a week since it happened.
    Still can't get my head around exactly what happened. Feel pretty bad for the guy driving the 18 wheeler.


    I've thought about every single second that passed from the time I saw the transfer of energy till the time it was apparent he was dead. It was hard to comprehend at the time.
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    I hope you feel heard and supported by this community; most are really quality caring people as you obviously are. Knowing the "why" will not make a whole lot of difference; we all try to be rational about things that sometimes are incomprehensible. It may have been any number of things to include suicide. I would second the EMDR above; it is an evidenced based practice for what you are experiencing. Keeping talking and best wishes. J.
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  20. Prime Mover

    Prime Mover Anything Can Happen

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    Damn. This really stinks. The realities of life, and death.
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