yeah I think those are what I have. it shows pretty much nothing on the front of the 59 if I recall. Will keep an eye out next battle. the upgraded turret is needed for the tier 8 gun on the 25/2. stats for current t6 turret vs upgrade (which costs 7500xp). stock armor 76/25/25 traverse 18 view range 380 weight 4800 upgrade t8 76/25/25 traverse 18 view range 380 weight 5500 gun T7 90mm 7.79 rpm 160/243/45 damage 240/240/320 accuracy .35-.36 1.7 aiming time weight 2050 upgrade t8 90mm 170/258/45 all other specs the same 24k xp for the two upgrades. Apparently the upgraded turret is enclosed rather than open. most tanks have shown a clear advantage to upgrading..