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Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by michael_l, May 3, 2014.
There's a neat idea.
The big problem is the cheaper bit. Boring the cylinders smaller doesn't cost them less money.
If you want a cheaper S1000R, you've got to give up something, and unfortunately giving up 200cc won't do the trick. So what else would you be happy to lose?
OTOH, they could build you a sleeved down 1000, with all the 1000 stuff on it. And cut their profits to get it out cheaper. The question then is what's in it for them.
Edit: yes I know they could also develop a new 650 triple that was as good as the 1000 and cheaper. The same question arises. I imagine Ducati, MV, Triumph and the Japs think they're buying brand loyalty.
There were rumours of a middleweight BMW sports bike a few years back, but they were scotched by the company because the financial crisis killed that market. Turns out that riders who went for these models tended to be younger, and relied on credit, and when that dried up...
BMW have pruned down their range, but a new R1200ST is rumoured for next year. I wouldn't be surprised if it expands a bit in the next few years as the economy improves.
Definitely a good point - cutting 200cc doesn't make the difference in thousands of dollars, and if it is a neutered s1000 engine and basically the same price, then obviously it wouldn't sell. I think my desire for a smaller displacement is more a desire for more nimble/lighter/and being able to open the throttle all the way. I had a Monster S4RS with a full exhaust and the thing was a blast with 135hp. I think any more than that hp is just wasted because I wasn't able to open it up as often as I would have liked.
The cheaper aspect is really just a bonus/byproduct of the smaller ride, and not something that I'd be looking for. Sure it needs to be cheaper than the bigger faster bike, but the cheaper comes into maintenance, gas, insurance, as well as initial buy in.
Some good answers in here that's for sure!
The 899 panigale weighs more than the 1199, lower price no longer means lower weight.
That's why BMW won't bother.
I think they need a nice first bike,
350cc.single or twin to get newbs into the brand.
That size sells 10-1,to every superduper mount.
The 650 is their learner bike, it's light enough and easy power. A 350 would struggle to not lose money unless they open a plant in Asia
BMW have moved production of their G-series bikes to China, to take advantage of the lower production costs there. In fact, the single-cylinder engine used on the G650 range is actually manufactured by Loncin, a Chinese company that makes motorcycles, motorcycle engines and various motorcycle components.
No real place for this bike in BMWs lineup. Maybe if they designed a triple or something (new k75s?), but they'd need to do unpleasant things to the s1000r engine to water it down that much.
Of course, then they'd probably have to kill the f800 motor, but maybe that wouldn't be a bad thing.
Kill it with fire!
A 2010 Street Triple R was the bike I chose, last year over a F800R, Hypermotard, Multistrada and FZ09. .
Leads in every comparison, reliable, affordable, etc...
I'm not a Triumph fan-boy but I've put 9k miles on the StRiple, in the last 12 Months and I absolutely love riding this bike.
BMW had one. It met all of your criteria except for HP. It didn't sell well in the USA so they only imported for two years. I speak of the BMW R850R. A very nice bike. I am not selling mine.
They tried ( half ass attempt) with their parallel twin.
I am sure if they did a newer liquid cooled flat twin and their inline 4 it would do better .