Wrenching on my R80 G/S, an ongoing therapy

Discussion in 'Airheads' started by One Less Harley, Feb 1, 2010.

  1. hardwaregrrl

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    I got me some moose racing open package pegs at cycle gear for 40 bucks!!! Welded new stops on and good to go!!!
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  2. One Less Harley

    One Less Harley OH.THAT'S GONNA HURT

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    Newest addition to the G/S- Sump and center stand guards. I tried to get the OEM BMW center stand guard, but they were NLA, so The other option was the Twin Headlight Earnie one, which looks better and mounts better than the OEM, but the Earnies' sump guard was not a design I liked, the rigid attachment to the sump was unacceptable. I decided against it after seeing Hardware Girl's on the ST.

    I purchased the sump guard, bolts, rubber spacers and washers from Chicago BMW and as luck would have it there were none in the USA, but there was ONE left in Germany. YEAH THAT'S RIGHT ONE.....ONE ...ONE, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE WILL BE NO MORE OEM ONES EVER!!!! I don't think they will be making any more ever again.

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    A shot of the 22mm headed bolts (note the shank on the bolt), rubber spacers, and flat washers which mount between the rubber and sump.

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    Another shot of how the mounts are assembled.

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    Another view of the guard.

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    A comparison shot between the little bitty stock guard, note the cooling vents, sure wish the big on had these!!

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    and it mounted, yes the guard is really close to the exhaust pipe, so close I had to loosen the exhaust clamp and fined nut and move the pipe a little to clear the guard.

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    A nice neat fit to the Twin headlight Earnie center stand guard.

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  3. hardwaregrrl

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    looks really nice. and sharp!
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  4. One Less Harley

    One Less Harley OH.THAT'S GONNA HURT

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    BTW, no pictures here as I was in a hurry, but my front brake was a little soft so, since I had the caliper and master cylinder kits on hand, I rebuilt them a cople of days ago. Lots better pressure at the lever.

    Pretty easy to do, just needed snap ring pliers to get the piston out of the MC, then for the calipers, compressed air to push out the pistons, (keep your fingers clear), a small pick to snag the piston seals. then just clean the parts well. The mastercylinde and calipers bores were in good shape so the master cylinder bore was lightly sanded and cleaned again, then seals and bores lubed with brake fluid upon assembly.
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  5. AntonLargiader

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    It's the wrong sump. That skid plate matches the smooth-bottom sump, not the early GS and /5 sump.

    The smooth sump is slightly deeper: http://www.largiader.com/tech/oilpan/
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  6. One Less Harley

    One Less Harley OH.THAT'S GONNA HURT

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  7. AntonLargiader

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    My mistake - I thought it was the GS plate, not the G/S plate. But if you run across a smooth-bottom sump (and matching pickup assembly) it might give you a bit more clearance. I'll measure the critical dimensions at some point.

    Take care of it, you might have a collector's item!
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  8. Gimmeslack

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    Are you saying G/S and GS skid plates are different? I always thought it was the same plate. I picked up a used one and it seems to fit fine. I was told it came off a GS by salvage dealer. :dunno
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  9. Infracaninophile

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    I thought they were the same as well. Looking at the fiche shows different part numbers. The G/S is now showing NLA. The GS is still purchasable. I thought the engine blocks were exactly the same? Is it that the GS has the crossover tube and therefore the PD skid plate is different?

    Tom
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  10. One Less Harley

    One Less Harley OH.THAT'S GONNA HURT

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    If I see a GS and/or GSPD at the European Rally this weekend I'll take some picts....as I'm curious now.

    According to the BMW fiche-sump guard #'s

    88-90 R100GSPD p/n 51-47-2-315-392
    88-90 R100GS p/n 71-60-2-315-345
    88-92 R80GS p/n 71-60-2-315-345
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  11. AntonLargiader

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    MAX shows a pic of the GS plate. Narrower in the back, no cutout for the drain plug (makes sense as the smooth sump has a rear-facing drain). Most likely the difference originated with the different centerstand on the GS. Don't know if it's shaped differently around the exhaust or anything.

    I don't see why you wouldn't be able to retrofit the GS system to the G/S. System being plate, sump and pickup.

    EDIT: actually I don't think it is narrower.
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  12. Infracaninophile

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    I have both a 81 G/S and a 93 GSPD in the garage. I can measure both and see what the differences are this weekend. Visually they look exactly the same.

    Tom
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  13. One Less Harley

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    I have been doing some jetting changes on the G/S, the bike was jetted with 135MJ/ 45 Idle jet needle position unknown, millage was OK, 42-44 on back roads under 75mph, but starting from cold was bad, as bike wanted to die when giving throttle until warmed up for about a minute.
    here's a list of jets and MPG figures for the bike.

    Note- I am not heavy on the throttle, and ride fairly sedate. Sometimes spirited but not extremely hard on it.

    Stock Carb Settings
    Main Jet 135 (150 stock, 130 stock for 1981)
    Idle Jet 45 (45 stock for 1981,40 for 83-86)
    needle Jet 266 (stock) , needle has about 15,000 miles
    Needle clip 2nd from top (3rd stock)
    Needle 46-241 (46-251 for 1981)



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    </TD><TD class=xl26>1st from top 38





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    </TD><TD class=xl26>2.68 needle jet, cold start BETTER
    8/16/2012, plugs dark, runs great, slight hesitation at constant speed of 50plus




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    132...................45.................................clip 3rd from top.......................2.68 needle jet.............black spark plug and exhaust...good power (4/10/2014)
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  14. Beemerguru

    Beemerguru Beemerguru...G/S guy

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    Try a 145 and needle on 3rd position and see what happens.
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  15. One Less Harley

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    I'll run some more gas though it to get some average mpg figures. Then try the 145's, I would expect the mileage to drop though.
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  16. Rucksta

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    Main 145
    Needle 2.64 position 4
    Needle jet #46-241
    Idle jet 45
    Idle air jet dia 1
    claimed 47.0 mpg @ 60mph (with a pointy headed anorexic midget rider)

    This was the spec for a non US G/S with no polution control.

    I think you must be getting pretty close.
    I never could work out what they meant by position 4 as my needles only had 3 rings.
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  17. Beemerguru

    Beemerguru Beemerguru...G/S guy

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    I use the european specs for the 800 engines after the emission plumbing is gone. Breathes better, runs cooler, heads last longer and decent mpg if you keep it under 70mph
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  18. One Less Harley

    One Less Harley OH.THAT'S GONNA HURT

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    does that mean your using the 145 MJ as specd buy rucksta??? Should have mentioned that the air injection has been removed. No other mods. Fresh top end and new rings.
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  19. Caddy82rats

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    I've got 135 with asymatrical inlet (Euro BMW upgrade)
    Better milerage, better low end response.
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  20. AntonLargiader

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    There was a SIB to implement that here, also. AFAICT, every bike runs better with the asymmetric intakes and most of them have probably been converted. It can make a dramatic difference on the R80!
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