WSBK & AMA Pro Roadracing: Miller Time! (Spoilers)

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  1. RaY YreKa

    RaY YreKa Palanquins RTW

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    I was glad he dropped it, tbh; just because Miller is less interesting if you know Checa/Ducati will win there every single year.

    Did I hear right that he won 5 straight at Miller, before crashing out of Race 2?
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  2. DogBoy

    DogBoy Not a Gnarly Adventurer

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  3. spezjag

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    No. He doubled at his first WSBK at Miller in 2008 on a Honda.

    Then Ben Spies doubled in 2009. If I remember correctly, Checa crashed in at least one of the '09 races.

    In 2010, he led both races before an electrical part stopped him while leading in Race 1; a mechanic thought he fixed the problem, so he left the part in the bike for Race 2. Sure enough, the same part failed again while Checa was leading in Race 2!

    He then doubled again in 2011.

    Clearly, though, having won five races there since 2008, Checa goes well at Miller.
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  4. Drif10

    Drif10 Accredited Jackass

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    Russell also hung Melandri out to dry about the race at Donington.

    Had listened to soup's interview with Rea. Caught the comments he made about Melandri brake checking Haslam, and overall being pretty physical with his team mate.

    He trying for a spot on the Repsol squad?
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  5. Mr Head

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    Hmm we got a round of Flo:baldy

    My thumb was sore by the end frm dabbing the FF button.

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  6. okiegtrider

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    Hell, even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then.
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  7. snowhawk jockey

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    I was flagging at F10 when they all stopped in the area of F9 to practice start, at the end of the QP session. Since they were pretty far off from my position still, I couldn't see that the bikes had stopped in the actual racing line of that exit. I would have called it in, on advise, for control to flag it, if I could see they were, in fact, in the line. The exit of that turn is really fast, with a few racers finishing it on the wobble. Normally they end up wide to the outside track as they accelerate and set up for Black Rock. One of them even touched up a roost of dirt in front of me as he barely managed to keep it on the track. Wouldn't want to be on my last qualifying hot lap and have it blocked at a crucial point.

    The ride down was exciting with 65 miles of snow and more of rain. Lots of Adventure in this trip. I'll be there when it runs again!
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  8. snowhawk jockey

    snowhawk jockey Slack Jaw Gaper

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    I can't wait to watch the race and see this piece of Red Flag action. The FIM are the only ones who can touch or change anything, like an oil spill, that negatively affects the surface condition of the track during the race. The Track Marshall was standing there with oil dry, after the bike crashed. He was ready to apply it, the second the FIM gave permission to do so. Since the Safety car left from the pits and had to drive all the way around the track to that point, it allowed the oil time to run down the incline of the corner. If the Marshall had even just dammed up the oil, with oil dry, before the FIM instructed him to do so, he would lose his license. That made for a long afternoon at the track.
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  9. mdubya

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    Good info. :thumb
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  10. eakins

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    we had alot of hanging out waiting for that delay.

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  11. eakins

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    i spent alot of time with the aprilia corporate folks at the race and they are a very easy going bunch. test rode a dorsoduro, tuono and shiver.
    like the tightness of the shiver best but that V4 twin motor was unreal.
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  12. eakins

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    race 1
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    a few bikes ended up in this wall over the weekend
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    Track tour with Scott Russell from SPEED , YAMAHA MOTOR CORPORATION U.S.A. YCRS track school from Miller Motorsports Park and Mark Hoyer from Cycle World Magazine to help sponsor Ride for Kids
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  13. eakins

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  14. dwoodward

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    My friend sitting next to me after race one, when Max went hauling ass through Tooele and Clubhouse: "I must get back to the pits, I have people to yell at". [​IMG] Anyone else catch the comment Sunday morning for racers *cough*Biaggi*cough* on pit scooters to slow down, there were more spectators wandering around?

    Possibly. A puddle of synthetic oil is a right PITA if you've never dealt with it, and not at all like a the occasional drip as a leaking bike works back to the pits. Given the nature of such things, FIM may have told them NOT to do the right thing first off because of how long it would take. Then FIM was on scene and looked to me like they fumbled about before admitting it was going to take the time to do it right, which involves detergent to break it up (I'm told Simple Green(tm) works on synthetic oil), then washing that off, then drying the track. (As observed from Clubhouse)

    About a decade ago when faced with a similar mess, an F-USA official from Canada (ahem) decided the solution was to add some gasoline and then set fire to it. The turn workers let him, then decided that setting the track on fire was a sub-optimal solution and put it out. He was livid, but couldn't get anyone else to back him, so they waited while someone scraped up a few gallons of Simple Green. (That club now keeps 10 gallons of the stuff on hand for such events.)
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  15. dwoodward

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    And that is why I won't work MotoGP or WSBK events- a complete lack of common sense and trust that the guys and gals with boots on the ground can be trusted to be attempting to do the right thing.
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  16. Tbone

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    From the WERA forum..

    http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?t=299201


    Many of you know that Shane and I are good friends. I wish that I could have been there to see Shane's debut and see first hand what it was like racing with this caliber of racers. With that...I spend a little time on the phone with Shane and asked a ton of questions which to my astonishment...blew me away as to what he..or for that matter...any racer is up against at this level of racing.

    Davie..."Shane what was the experience like?".

    Shane..."It was very exciting, I just wanted to do better. I felt like I brought a knife to a gun fight".

    Davie..."how so?"

    Shane..."We were 25 to 40 kilometers slower down the front straight. With that any ground we had gain in the infield was quickly regain on the straight all the way back going into T5 (the fastest part of the track). There was also the electronics package on this bike that required more knowledge than we had in just two weekends riding the bike".

    Davie..."Let me get this right. You had only rode this bike for two weekends and attempted to race against the best in the world?"

    Shane..."yes".

    Davie..."That is like going to a gun fight with a knife!!"

    Shane..."Everyone was very helpful...our team did not have the knowledge of the traction control system and how to use it like the top teams at the World Superbike level. Carlos Checa's team came over and helped us a little and it was really interesting to see our data layed over Carlos's data. When we compared our data to his it showed that from the bottom of the attitudes (down hill left,right,left) to the exit on the front straight both Carlos and myself had the same timing, braking, acceleration and drive. From the exit onto the front to the Attitudes we were 5 seconds slower".

    Davie..."When you mentioned traction control and knowledge of it...what did you mean?"

    Shane..."The electronics on these bikes is very complex and needs to have someone that races with this stuff week after week behind the wheel along with a data guy in the pits to interpret what it is doing. To give you a idea as to what this stuff can do for you...when I looked at Checa's data he was either at 20% or 100% throttle throughout the whole track. These guys were getting into the turns and about 20 feet before apex, knee on the ground pinning the throttle 100% and the electronics would take over. It was absolutely amazing to be riding with these guys and hear the bikes cutting fuel, popping like mad...but driving out harder than anyone I have seen on a bike do".

    Davie..."Speaking of electronics. Is it controlled by GPS or???"

    Shane..."you can use GPS or by the meter".

    Davie..."By the meter?"

    Shane...."GPS has its flaws that could cause you problems like what happen to Blake Young at Daytona. If something happens with the satellite feed it can make the bike think its in T2 and not T5. Then with that...the bike is setup with the data for engine braking and different traction control and in some cases be really dangerous or with Blake...cost him the race".

    Davie..."I had no idea that the Nascar...errr...AMA allowed such electronics that only the top teams can afford. Please elaborate with me on the term metered".

    Shane..."our bike, Checa's bike and Smrz's bike were all set to zero out at the start/finish line. We would come in and set the engine braking and traction control by the meter. If we went off line, off track or something weird happen...the bike would reset every time I crossed the finish line. In hide sight...I wish I didnt have the auto blipper or any of the stuff on there. It was just to much, to soon and we were not experienced enough to set the stuff up".

    Davie..."Speaking of the riders and talent at the WSB level. What impressed you the most?"

    Shane..."It was the confidence that every one of these riders had that blew me away. I guess you get that when you ride as much as these guys do and do the things on bikes that only a hand full of riders in the world can do. I would also say that the most impressive display of riding was when I was going thru T3 and T4 and Marco Melandri came around me on the outside at 130 mph, knee on the ground, rear tire smoking and in a two wheel drift!!!!".

    Davie..."From everything I am understanding it seems that electronics have taken over all forms of racing. The only thing missing is the ability for guys like myself to plug and play...instead we need to have a data guy sitting in the pits at 100k a year in pay to interpet data and the ability to blindly pin the throttle and hope that it works!!. Ok one last question my friend. How much did it cost to race the World Superbike round at Miller".

    Shane..." 10 grand for entry fee, 5 grand in tires and 2 grand in fuel".


    Davie..."wow....just WOW!!. Thanks Shane. I am sure that my readers will want to ask a few questions and I will get back to ya. I just want to say that you still are my hero my friend".

    End of interview.
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  17. meatsack

    meatsack Moto-idiot

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    Excellent piece of insight from Shane. Thanks for posting this!
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  18. HarveyMushman

    HarveyMushman Tire Squarerer

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    Yeppers.
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  19. BOOTLACE

    BOOTLACE Bikie Scum.

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    The coment about M.M. passing at 130 smoking the rear kind of contradicts a bit of what was said earlier ,re traction control....:norton
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  20. DogBoy

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    I don't see why. The big $ electronics can tuned to allow for a lot of wheel spin (or pretty much anything). Still takes a badass to ride it that way.
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