XR250 Tornado

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  1. Pete-NZ

    Pete-NZ Long timer

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    Hi guys/gals..
    I'm looking at picking up a 2005 Honda XR250 Tornado.
    Not had anything to do with this verson of the XR..
    seems a nice bike...other than the dam rear drum brake.
    Double over head cam motor is a very smooth runner..

    So any imput on these tornados would be great..
    IE... good/bad points etc...

    Thanks
    Pete

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  2. jimmy2020

    jimmy2020 limpiador de ventanas

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    I have rented the 250 Tornado a few times down in Costa Rica. Gets you from point a to b. Not high powered but very smooth on the road and can cruise all day at 60-65 mph if needed.
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  3. RED1

    RED1 Been here awhile

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    They were built in Brazil for their market only, now built and sold in Mexico. Plenty of stuff on the web from brazil.
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  4. TNC

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    Obviously not the more famous XR250 engine that most are familiar with, but did that engine come from a quad or such?
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  5. roadholder

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    I don't think quads even existed when the XR250 first hit showrooms! :lol3
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  6. TNC

    TNC Candyass Camper

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    My point exactly. The engine in that Tornado is not an XR250R SOHC engine that had the RFVC head design the we are most familiar with from about '84 through about '05. That's why I'm asking if that engine is something from an ATV or such.
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  7. TNC

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    OK...I want to know more about this bike and the engine in particular. I fully realize this bike isn't available in the U.S. I've read a bunch of crap on the internet with some apparent confusion.

    For one, I too thought this was some kind of South American-only bike, but apparently it's in Africa and other places in the world.

    Then there's this engine. I read a bunch of sites that talked about this bike and some that even tested the bike. Most of these sites said it's a modern variation of the famous XR250R that most of us are familiar with from about '84-'05. But it's clear this engine isn't the old XR250R motor in total. This is where the big question comes in. Obviously the '84-'05 XR250 was a SOHC engine with the RFVC head. This Tornado motor looks like a DOHC engine...at least it has 2 mysterious cylinder head ports with rubber plugs like most DOHC engines. But...half of these tests, stories, and site info state it's an SOHC while the other half say DOHC. Even the Honda of South Africa site shows this same engine but claims SOHC in the specs section. What's going here? That's why I was wondering if it was a modded ATV engine...but it's looking to me like an '84-'05 XR250 engine with a different head. I'm just curious. In fact if you search for images of the Tornada, you get some very interesting variations on this bike.

    Finally, it looks like a major screwup for Honda not to offer this bike worldwide. Yamaha and Suzuki are still offering the XT and DR series, so there's apparently a market...especially when you look at the dismally ancient Honda 230 that is offered...WTF? And the Tornado has electric start. I can't see why this bike isn't offered.

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  8. RED1

    RED1 Been here awhile

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    The engine was a cross between an old XR bottom end and the watercooled DOHC fitted to 3 different models although not exactly the same, it was designed for the Brazil market only. The DOHC watercooled engine has been copied by the chinese and sold in several different models.

    The tornado engine was also sold in australia in the CBF250, also made in brazil.

    XL250 degree sold in Australia and Japan

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    NX250 sold in US and europe

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    AXI road version of the NX250 sold in japan

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    Chinese copy engine

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  9. RED1

    RED1 Been here awhile

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    CBF 250

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    RED1 Been here awhile

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  11. TNC

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    And apparently sold in South Africa at least too. So, there is an air cooled model and a water cooled model? So, Honda has a water cooled DOHC DS engined 250cc bike that is obviously not hyper-exotic or expensive, and they only offer a 70's technology 230 in the U.S.? That makes no market sense whatsoever. Yes, there are brand/model bikes in Europe and elsewhere that we often ask this same question, but it's usually more understandable why this or that model won't be coming here. But when you're talking about a 250 that has watercooling, DOHC, electric start, and reasonably priced, why in the world would you not enter the 250 market here instead of sucking up the rear with an ancient 230? And please understand that I'm not whining about it as much as I'm amazed by it. I have a nicely modded KLX250 that I wouldn't trade for the Tornado, but that bike looks like a decent competitor in anyone's fully street legal DS market. I had 4 different XR250's...'84, '86, '88, and '90...so I appreciate Honda's capability. Why they'd drop the 2005 XR250L to keep the ancient 230 is downright amazing to me.
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  12. Pete-NZ

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    Ok guys I have bought the tornado...
    I will pop the rocker case
    and take a few pics of what i fined in side..
    But it dose look like a DOHC... but the 2 rubber
    plugs could be for rocker shafts ? maybe

    Pete
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  13. IheartmyNx

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    The "half moons"? No, that's where the line-bore punched the camshaft journals through...


    I've seen a Supermoto Tornado on youtube and oh my god it's sick!


    I don't know why Honda NA doesnt release that bike here with 29hp, AX-1 cams?


    It'll kill in the "I don't want somuch power as I want reliability and an off the shelf Supermoto" demographic.

    6 speeds, would get 70ish mpg and be cheaper to insure... And run all over DRZ400's too:D

    It would be a hell of a lot better start than that 17hp, 230cc's of air-cooled shit they have now...


    Hey Honda NA :fyyff

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  14. IheartmyNx

    IheartmyNx Ihave2draft

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    I've looked and looked and can NOT see where the Tornado is water cooled...

    You are right it's got the top-end though, just not with a water jacketed sleeve.
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  15. IheartmyNx

    IheartmyNx Ihave2draft

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    lol, this bike...

    Also add the 650FX and (Goog) NX650 as well...

    Honda knows there is a market for Adventure bikes and stands there with a XR650R frame and it's motor and won't put plastics and a 6th gear in it?

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    Same with the FX. Sure it's the L model, but damn! Put 17's, FX plastics and lights on the 650R instead of a 230L? Damn Honda, durka durka...

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  16. TNC

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    I don't know, Iheart...look at a couple of the non-Chinese versions up the page here, and you'll see a water pump on the right side.
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  17. RED1

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    I mean't the top end is similar to the watercooled engine, none of the brazil built engines have ever been watercooled now or in the past.
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  18. Pete-NZ

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    Heres a pic...

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    rickypanecatyl SE Asia adventure tours

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    We have the XR250R here in Malaysia. Compared to the old '99 I'm used to from the states it

    - seems to be about an inch shorter
    - has electric start
    - is street legal

    Malaysians are different than Americans in that your toy is also your transportation so on average these kind of motorcycles see between 8-20K km a year. Whether its made in China, Brazil or Mexico it seems to have the legendary XR reliability.

    Also for what it's worth I think we've had them for about 3 years now and there was a gap with no new XR250's from about 2005-2008. Before 2005 they called it the Baja and I believe it was the exact engine as the old US XR250 - single overhead cam, RFVC engine. Only differance was it was electric start, about an inch shorter, some funky maroon color on the tank and 2 large round headlights up front.
    For some reason that one had a tough time getting road legal/license plate status here although it had all the blinkers etc. In Malaysia that has nothing to do with emissions or road safety by the way - you can get a street legal 2 stroke YZ 426 with no kickstand/lights etc but for some reason the Suzuki DR400 never got legalized.

    I think the new XR250 has a tad more torque than my KLX250 stock. Maybe a bit less hp? It's hard to say though as I've never ridden them back to back and everyone I ride with is significantly smaller and therefore faster than I am :lol3!
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  20. Normlas

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    I bought exactly the same bike 6 months ago ,same colour even! Put some road tires on and have done about 3000km's mainly around the city but also a few blasts up Muriwai beach, a few 300km+ days and she's been great. Little rough around the edges but growing on me all the time. Paid $3300 NZ, also a 2005 with only 3000km's on the clock. She does about 20km/L and has used no oil, my only complaint would be the small gas stank, about 160km worth. Seat could be a bit softer too !

    Hope that helps
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