XR650R to a KTM....Maybe

Discussion in 'Crazy-Awesome almost Dakar racers (950/990cc)' started by CollinsB, Dec 10, 2012.

  1. tcskibike2008

    tcskibike2008 SnowHawker

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    You want to replace your 650 for what use? Some people ride the 650 everywhere right down to tight single track. If you want to replace a dedicated trail bike the 950 may not be the best and you should go with something lighter like the KTM 500exc but if you ride some distance and some moderate trails then the 950 is awesome. I have owned a 2004 for 4 years, I ride it back and forth from work, 45 miles of varying road and then some trail rides with a friend that also has a 950. Its super fun challenging yourself on a big bike in the woods. As for maintenance; if you do your own wrenching then you can do anything on these bikes. There is so much info on them at http://ktm950.info/. When I found this page I was sold. The bike has only let me down once when the fuel pump failed. I did the water pump shaft as a preventive measure.

    I have a 450 for the real trail ride days.

    Buy a carbed 950 and read up, you will not regret it.

    I bought mine at $6,500 and could sell it for the same any day.
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  2. Steveman

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    @ Doug: I dont doubt what you tell me about the EXC. the question is, if thats the right bike for him. Even if people - and especially in the US - hate to hear that, an EXC, SXF XCW is everything but not a bike to ride on pavement.

    My 2010 EXC was a fantastic bike which I throwed in a canyon and it still brought me home afterwards. But it is a competition bike with less then one quart of engine oil, with a 30 day only warranty (at least here in Austria), with no radiator fan, designed to win enduro races and not for travelling. I knwo that the 500's can do 100+ mph but this does not change anything. A look at service plan says it all.

    Thats my 450 after play'en in the woods:
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    cheers
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  3. el queso

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    I think the earlier 900 series bikes had their issues, but the late model 990s are very reliable. I would have no concern with hopping on mine right now and heading across the country or into the boondocks. The smaller KTMs are not unreliable but they are high performance bikes and need to be maintained as such, which means frequent oil changes, valve checks an the occasional top end. I’ve got an ’08 XCFW and I’ve never had a significant issue.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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  4. CollinsB

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    I'm looking for more a plated/street legal bike....the 990's are interesting, but a bit "porky" for what I do. My riding is a mix of desert and single track, typically less than a 100 mile day.

    The switch from the XR650R came about after taking a quick spin on a Husaberg 570. The "Berg" was awesome, but there's simply not much dealer support.
    Malcolm Smith motorsports once had several on the floor, as of two days ago there was only one and it was a used bike! Not sure if they may have dropped the Bergs all together.
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  5. el queso

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    Husaberg is a KTM company and the bike shares many basic parts with it's orange cousin, so I'm assuming support is available for years to come. That said, they dropped the 70° motor this year and appear to be building massaged KTM based bikes

    KTM Talk has a fairly active Husaberg sub-forum and the 570 seems pretty popular.
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  6. jwalters

    jwalters Farkle Proliferator

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    I own both an XR650R and a KTM 990 Adv S. I'm 6'8" tall, so I feel your pain when it comes to egros on bikes. If I were you, I'd look for a used KTM 950 SE. Sort of the middle ground between the XRR and the Adventure bike. My Renazco seats are great for a bit more height on both the BRP and the 990 Adv too.

    C-Zulu has the 950 Adv, CRF 450 and a KTM 950 SE (lucky lucky fellow), I think he rides the KTM 950 Super Enduro most. Just a real good all around bike that is a little easier to work on because of the tank configuration. And if you ever want to travel on it, you can set it up with luggage too.

    A few weeks ago, we road together and swapped bikes half way through the ride, the XRR is like a toy compared to the SE. Power of the SE just never ends.

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  7. GoNOW

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    Just putting my 2 bits in on the reliability of the KTMs verses the big Honda's like the 650R or 650L.

    Both of the Honda bikes have been made for near 20 years now, mostly unchanged. Problem spots have been worked out and those that have not, the aftermarket has fixed. They are also low power engines by todays standards. Around 35HP last I checked. They tend to last a long time because the engine is not stressed.
    (As a side note, a CRF250 is making around 40HP)

    The KTM are a much more modern design. Far more HP, and less years on them to work out the bugs. So don't expect claw hammer reliability. But you do get a much better performing bike.
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  8. CollinsB

    CollinsB Been here awhile

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    I should have mentioned, that I often use a carrier from the back of my vehicle to transport the bike....so going heavier than the XR probably not going to happen.....unless of course I run across killer deals on both a thumper and a bigger bike.
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  9. dirtybikefrank

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    I too had an 08 GSA and rode the piss out of it. Mostly off road including technical single track just for the challenge. It was just too heavy and wide for me. Bottomed out just about every big jump and didnt want to spend more $ on ohlins....Traded it for an 07 990 adventure and immediately wished I had the ktm for all the rides I took on the BMW. It's just an overgrown version of my 525. Gotta love a 100hp dirtbike.

    Contrary to another inmates post you CAN ride the 525 on the street comfortably. I have hung in the mountains with sportbikes and been able to whip it into the woods when necessary. Truly a great dual sport bike. Yeah its a single so quit your whining about comfort and ride. There's a thread on here about some guy traveling the world with like 20k miles on his stock RFS with no issues. The older engines seem to be more bulletproof.

    My suggestion for you is if youre only doing 100 mile days offload, find an 07 450 or 525 and forget all about that BRP.

    Ride safe.
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  10. Doug Matson

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    If you ride less or about 100 mi and a mix of desert and single track and you haul the bike on a carrier then the 500 EXC would be perfect. I have a 950 and I would not take it on trails, I have my 450 for that, dirt roads ya but not the type of dirt that I have fun at. I hate to ride the 450 on the street even though I can. If you want a "Berg" Long Beach BMW had some the last time I was there. Another good choice would be a DRZ 400 I have a friend selling one that is like new for about $3500 and that is a bike you can ride on the street and dirt and they are good bike for tall people.
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  11. Steveman

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    The DRZ is a fantastic bike, I'd love to have one but everyone knows how good and reliable they are whether ridden on pave or dirt. So to get one is almost impossible ....
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  12. el queso

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    I rode a DRZ for a year and it was good, but I would not say it's great. If you're not an agressive offroad rider it will be fine, but it's too heavy and doesn't have enough power or suspension to hang with a modern 450 class dirt bike. It's nowhere near a KTM 500 or the 'berg.
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  13. Steveman

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    Having EXC's myself I can say: u are right. But your statement misses what this thread is about. And for combined pave and off road riding the Sozook is just the better choice cause sheer power plays no role and its engine and reliability is known all over the world.

    6000 km service intervalls versus 10 hour oil changes says it all.

    Cheers
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  14. sledstorm1

    sledstorm1 CT RAMBLER'S MC CLUB

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    I'm on my 4th KTM with no problems...

    DRZ's and WR's are dual sports...KTM's are race bikes, all of them, even exc's or dual sports are very performance orientated... I know lots of people buy used clapped out bikes and complain that the got shit boxes,but in reality, they got used up race bikes...

    Buy a used 690 or 950 super enduro and start grinning
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  15. CollinsB

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    The search is over... After looking at all options; KTM, Husaberg and a few others. I chose a Husky TE510!
    I think it'll fit my needs well as a desert weapon and it's fully street legal / plated...I now get why the Huskies are often chosen rides by many Motard racers. It makes rediculous power everywhere, no matter what gear.

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  16. Steveman

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    Thats nothing new you are telling me. :D Buying used KTM's is one way (except the race bikes). The other way would be to introduce an ISO confrom quality management system. Something KTM will never get solved. There are examples enough ....

    Merry Christmas :freaky
    Steve
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    Steveman Been here awhile

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    Congrats Brian, awesome bike. Keep an eye on the oil level, use high quality full synthetic 15/50 0r 10/60 oil and be a happy man :D

    Merry Christmas :freaky
    Steve
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    Awesome bike!
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  19. zen rider

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    I never rode a XR650R. But my KTM 300XC is one of the lightest full-sized dirt bikes. Yes it is a two stroke. But that means no valves, easy and cheap maintenance, and pretty cheap on the used market.

    My past Hondas:
    XR650L - too heavy for true single track but great on B roads
    XR400R - a bitch to start even with new carb; forks sucked compared to my KTM 300

    My KTMs:
    300XC: Very light, torquey plus high hp, awesome brakes, supension, and hydraulic clutch; dead reliable and easy to work on; the high seat is comfy and cheap ($120)

    990 Adventure: too heavy to replace an XR650R, good bike, a pain to work on, 21" front tire is vague and numb in the fast curves on road making it rather very UN-sportbike like even though it can sort of keep up.

    My recommendation:
    New: get the 500exc if you want street legal; or a newer 300 XC-W with e-start

    Used: get the older RFS KTM 400, the new Berg 390, or used KTM 300
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  20. Dustodust

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    I had XRs forever
    too many to list, drove em till the frames cracked apart
    used to think they were so great
    they had many problems too , transmissions, stators, cracked cylinder, crappy handling , horrible starting, terrible lighting , NO E START, shitty brakes
    glad I didnt go with the new XRR and went KTM
    rode the XrR and it felt like riding a water balloon compared to the 950
    the 950 is my favoroite bike ever
    next to the RFS
    or 3 stroke
    the 3 stroke is a race winner
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