XRL owners sign in.

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by onaXR, Jan 18, 2006.

  1. MentalGuru

    MentalGuru Crazy Diamond

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2011
    Oddometer:
    729
    Location:
    Out and about.
    250lbs wet less fuel. :D So how light can a xrl be made... :freaky

    I wonder how much a 60hp CW engine done to a new XLR with a CRFX fork swap and a revalved shock would cost. :evil


    All day? Sure. :1drink

    There are a bunch of different seats available. Was SHOOTERDAVE on a stock seat??? :wink:

    A fifty state tour would be a bit much. :D That tour on a XRL is too much for me also. :lol3

    You started this tangent..:rofl


    :beer
  2. MentalGuru

    MentalGuru Crazy Diamond

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2011
    Oddometer:
    729
    Location:
    Out and about.
    I thought that might be the end result after setting the cam correctly.

    I have had the same issues when changing valve timing with a big cam and a high compression piston combo. It's all part of building a custom engine combo.

    I would probably have .110"-.120" removed so cam chain stretch isn't an issue, since it will cause retard the cam slightly.

    :beer
  3. sc-razor

    sc-razor Long timer

    Joined:
    May 19, 2008
    Oddometer:
    3,777
    Location:
    NW Arkansas
    Me too. One of those new aluminum frame models would rock!
  4. AZ TOM

    AZ TOM Long timer

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2008
    Oddometer:
    4,892
    Location:
    Prescott AZ
    Looks comfy with that seat:eek1 Any ride under 20 miles should be fun:D
  5. sc-razor

    sc-razor Long timer

    Joined:
    May 19, 2008
    Oddometer:
    3,777
    Location:
    NW Arkansas
    I did mine with heavier springs only. (I'm 300) I HATE it. I'm going to send them to be re-valved over the winter and see if that helps. I want to say my shock is 12.5 and my forks are.68's. I will beat you into oblivion on rocks and gravel. I haven't even been riding my bike because it's so miserable.
  6. mcma111

    mcma111 Long timer

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2007
    Oddometer:
    14,805
    Location:
    San Francisco,Ca.

    Yes he was. But he doesn't have any ass. :lol3 :eek1 :lol3
  7. sc-razor

    sc-razor Long timer

    Joined:
    May 19, 2008
    Oddometer:
    3,777
    Location:
    NW Arkansas
    Another day to shout out a word of thanks to all of our veterans! God Bless you!

    [​IMG]
  8. fritzcoinc

    fritzcoinc Enjoying my last V8

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2008
    Oddometer:
    8,019
    Location:
    Hockley, Tx

    Here's one of her sisters, the Texas:
    [​IMG]
  9. fritzcoinc

    fritzcoinc Enjoying my last V8

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2008
    Oddometer:
    8,019
    Location:
    Hockley, Tx
    Another stuipd question from me, sure you got the piston in correctly, front side of piston facing the front?
  10. fritzcoinc

    fritzcoinc Enjoying my last V8

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2008
    Oddometer:
    8,019
    Location:
    Hockley, Tx

    Ask the suspension spring supplier.
  11. fritzcoinc

    fritzcoinc Enjoying my last V8

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2008
    Oddometer:
    8,019
    Location:
    Hockley, Tx
    Dammit! Thats twice today, well this morning I haverhad my ass kicked!

    I think, will bet anyway, you will be able to get an XRL down to about 310/320 pounds.
  12. XR650L

    XR650L Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2011
    Oddometer:
    243
    Location:
    South Africa, West Coast
    I did

    Here is the answer from Cannonracecraft

    "We do not have a rater here so we are unable to suggest rates. There are a couple of different websites that we use to get suggestions. Moto-pro and RaceTech are good ones."

    The ones mentioned does not have springs in their inventory that is that strong

    Ok

    So too stiff is useless

    maybe I must go 13kg at back spring ad .55 on the front springs

    I have already done the Racetec Gold valves in front, it is still way to soft

    ???
  13. Schultz!

    Schultz! Recovering Lurker

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2012
    Oddometer:
    80
    Location:
    Warren Michigan
    With me no such thing as a stupid question, nope its in correctly but I edited the post i must of spun the motor backwards to get that condition did it 2 more times in the correct direction and came up with .105 exhaust and .85 intake so I'm happy. :freaky
  14. Schultz!

    Schultz! Recovering Lurker

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2012
    Oddometer:
    80
    Location:
    Warren Michigan
    Aiming for 290 dry but will have to wait and see what the ole porker tips the scales at when I'm done.
  15. sc-razor

    sc-razor Long timer

    Joined:
    May 19, 2008
    Oddometer:
    3,777
    Location:
    NW Arkansas
    Everything I was told was .55 was too light. These guys have heavier springs.

    http://www.procycle.us/bikepages/xr650l.html

    The Gold Valves may be the key. Since you already have those, I would email Race Tech. Gotta have something to help with the initial hit you get from the heavier springs. Race Tech also offers a Suspension Bible that everyone raves about and says is a must have.
  16. fritzcoinc

    fritzcoinc Enjoying my last V8

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2008
    Oddometer:
    8,019
    Location:
    Hockley, Tx

    XR's only has a chart on their web site.

    You know I gota say, I really like the deep cushie stock suspersion on my XRL. It's the ONLY way to go on a L O N G trail ride on the rought stuff. If I want a performance suspension I jump on my Husky.
  17. MentalGuru

    MentalGuru Crazy Diamond

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2011
    Oddometer:
    729
    Location:
    Out and about.

    Which one???? :lol3

    :beer
  18. Schultz!

    Schultz! Recovering Lurker

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2012
    Oddometer:
    80
    Location:
    Warren Michigan
    Might be a bit off base here but is something to think about.


    One of the many jobs I have had was a "Vehicle Testing Tech" for ford motor company. While that title encompasses many things there I spent most of my time working with the "Vehicle Dynamics" groups. (they specialize in the tuning of the suspension systems) I learned a TON about damper control, spring check loads and rates, steering inputs, sway bar efforts, ect ect. The one thing I took from all of it it all truly depends on the calibration of the ass behind the wheel:lol3. Engineer X would claim the the "vehicle feels soft and unresponsive" Engineer Y would claim (same vehicle mind you with all the exact same components) the vehicle has robust handling characteristics with a sport ride quality...needless to say the asses were not calibrated to the same standard:rofl. With that being said person X setup may not please person Y even if there the same weight bike ect ect.

    The springs basic job is to keep the vehicle "suspended" at the correct height vs static weight, its the dampers job to tell the spring how fast it can move. The best way to set up a bikes suspension (as i understand it) is to get the spring rates that are designated for your loaded weight I.E. rider gear big gas tank ect. Once that's done get the rear sag adjusted properly and make sure the forks are not too far compresses or expanded, set all damper clickers to "0" and take a test ride.


    Depending on your observations during your ride you will get a idea how the suspension is responding, diving while braking, harsh on initial compression too easy to bottom ect ect. do this for several iterations of your damper adjustments available and make mental and recorded notes during the rides, this right here may be good enough for the old butt dyno, but if it isn't then proceed to plan for a damper re valve.


    Re valving dampers realy isnt all that difficult just very time consuming to get it "just right". Ive seen way too many people jump all over the "gold valves" spending wads o cash and being disappointed with the out come because race techs calibrated ass is different from theirs. I would say for (speculating so please don't shoot me) most aplications the stock valves them self's are fine, its the shim stackup that truly effects how fast and how much oil flows past the piston ports causing the damping effect A cheep trick to try before a re valve is if the daper is "harsh feeling" (as in too much damping) to try and change the fluid to a lighter weight, same goes for the inverse if the damper feels"squishy or soft" changing to a higher weight oil can change the dampers performance. If changing the fluid type doesn't "fix" the conditions your seeing I highly recommend reading some tech articles on fork/shock valving/shimming before shelling out huge $$$, like i said it really isn't all that hard just a bit of a learning curve to it.
  19. fritzcoinc

    fritzcoinc Enjoying my last V8

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2008
    Oddometer:
    8,019
    Location:
    Hockley, Tx
    What I want to know about your days at Ford is, are there really as many hot female engineers running around as is shown in the commericals? AND, what happen to the Mercury chick? SEE MORE: http://www.google.com/search?q=mercury+girl+jill+wagner&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=-kvCUJS2MsS7ygGI64GwAg&ved=0CC4QsAQ&biw=1280&bih=878

    And my $.02. Sag is a rubbish method to set suspension. Measuring the sag does not yield a repeatable measurement result. measuring the overall length of the spring does.

    Isn't there a song that goes something like this" goen to buy me a Mecuryand cruse it on down the road" " to Jill Wagners place and get me some" !
    Yeah that the ticket!
  20. my6

    my6 Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2005
    Oddometer:
    441
    Location:
    Houston,Texas
    Google "Mercury Girl".....oh Yessssss :evil