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  1. Spud Rider

    Spud Rider Long timer

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    After scanning/reading the following threads, I have become convinced the Antigravity batteries are superior in quality to the Shorai batteries.

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=770364
    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=757934

    In general, I believe the Antigravity batteries offer the same, or better power than the Shorai batteries at about the same price, but at 1/2 the size. The amp hour ratings of all LiFePO4 batteries are inflated, but it seems Shorai is particularly guilty in this regard. However, the most important rating for these LiFePO4 batteries is cranking power, and the Antigravity batteries easily surpass the Shorai batteries in cranking power for any given form factor (size).

    In addition, the Antigravity batteries are lighter, have stronger cases, and possess much stronger battery terminals than the Shorai batteries. Finally, the Antigravity batteries are waterproof, and the Shorai batteries are not. Antigravity batteries have a 3-year warranty, while Shorai batteries have a 2-year warranty.

    Here's a comparison of the Antigravity and Shorai batteries that are roughly equivalent in power to the stock, YTX9-BS battery. Both these batteries will fit on top of the XR650L air box under the bike’s saddle.

    Antigravity 4-Cell Battery
    Price: $110, delivered
    150 Pulse CA, 120 CCA
    4.25″ Long x 1.25″ Wide x 3.75″ Tall
    Weight: 0.875 pounds (14 ounces)

    Shorai LFX09A2-BS12 Battery
    Price: $105, delivered
    135 CCA
    4.45" Long x 2.28" Wide x 3.50" Tall
    Weight: 1.23 pounds (19.7 ounces)

    Both these batteries have roughly equivalent power and price. However, the Antigravity battery is over 1-inch narrower, which will give it much more clearance with the saddle if located on top of the XR650L air box. I currently have a Shorai LFX09A2-BS12 battery installed, and it has ample cranking power for my unmodified engine. Therefore, I'm confident the Antigravity 4-Cell battery will also easily start a stock XR650L engine. Here are photographs of the two batteries.

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    Here’s a comparison of the Antigravity battery and the Shorai battery which offer much more cranking power for higher compression engines, cold weather starts, and greater cranking endurance. Both these batteries will fit on top of the XR650L air box under the bike’s saddle.

    Antigravity 8-Cell Battery
    Price: $170, delivered
    300 Pulse CA, 240 CCA
    4.25″ Long x 2.25″ Wide x 3.75″ Tall
    Weight: 1.7 pounds (27.2 ounces)

    Shorai LFX14A2-BS12 Battery
    Cost: $148, delivered
    4.45" Long x 2.28" Wide x 3.50" Tall
    210 CCA
    Weight: 1.61 pounds (25.8 ounces)

    The Antigravity battery costs a little more, but it cranks much harder, has a stronger case, has stronger battery terminals, and is waterproof. The Antigravity battery also has a better, longer warranty than the Shorai battery. Here are photographs of the two batteries.

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    If you wish to install a LiFePO4 battery in the stock battery box, instead of relocating the battery to the top of the air box, here are the two batteries to consider. The Antigravity battery is exactly the same size as the stock, YTX9-BS battery. However, the Shorai battery will need to be shimmed a bit with the foam supplied with the battery.

    Antigravity YTZ10S-8 Battery
    Cost: $180, delivered
    240 CCA
    Weight: 1.8 pounds (28.8 ounces)

    Shorai LFX14A4-BS12 Battery
    Cost: $148, delivered
    210 CCA
    Weight: 1.99 pounds (31.84 ounces), plus some foam

    Once again, the Antigravity battery costs a little more, but it is lighter, cranks much harder, has a stronger case, has stronger battery terminals, and is waterproof. The Antigravity battery also has a better, longer warranty than the Shorai battery. Here are photographs of the two batteries.

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    Spud :beer
  2. Sierra Thumper

    Sierra Thumper Been here awhile

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    I thought about going lithium when my xrl needed a new battery, but I was able to pick up a quality agm battery and charger/maintainer both for a little over 80 bucks. The special chargers alone for a lithium battery cost more than that, then add in the 160 for the lithium battery itself, and the 4 lbs in weight I would have saved didn't seem so exciting :lol3
    Plus I keep my bikes plugged into tenders whever they're parked, and get 10 or so years out of a lead acid battery.....I highly doubt the lithiums would last much, if any longer.........so no advantage there either. And I also need good cold starting, something lithiums struggle with unless you turn the lights on for a few minutes to warm them up first.
    Honestly at this stage of the game, I think lithiums are just a "cool factor" mod more than anything else....at least they would be for me :wink:

    With some more developement, and much lower pricing and cheaper/easier charging requirements, I think they're going to be the batteries of the future...........but that future aint here for me yet :dunno
  3. Spud Rider

    Spud Rider Long timer

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    Indeed, if you aren't concerned about the weight, the lead-acid batteries last a very long time and cost significantly less. :nod However, since the self-discharge of the LiFePO4 batteries is only 1/6 of lead-acid batteries, you don't need to buy a special charger for them, unless the battery is going to sit idle for more than a year, or the bike has parasitic battery draining, which the XR650L doesn't. I have never needed to charge my Shorai LFX09A2-BS12 battery in almost two years. At its website, Antigravity advises you won't need to trickle charge their batteries, except under special circumstances.

    http://antigravitybatteries.com/?page_id=510

    "Does this battery require trickle charging?

    The battery is Maintenance Free and can hold a charge for up to a year PROVIDED the bike/vehicle does not have a PARASITIC DRAIN or accessory taking the energy….IF your vehicles charging system is in good working order and you do not have any “parasitic drains” on the bike you should not have to charge this battery rarely if ever."


    Therefore, the price difference between my Shorai battery and an equivalent, Yuasu, lead-acid battery was $40. I was very happy to spend $40 in order to shed over 9 pounds of highly placed weight from the rear of my XR650L. :D

    If one does wish to purchase a special charger, the Antigravity chargers are sold at Rocky Mountain ATV/MC for $49.99.

    http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p...avity-Batteries-4-Amp-Lithium-Battery-Charger

    Also, my Shorai LFX09A2-BS12 battery easily cranks my bike's engine at 32 degrees Fahrenheit; I don't need to turn on the lights, or perform any other special procedure. I don't ride when the temperatures are below freezing. However, I'm sure the LiFePO4 batteries with 210 CCA will easily start the XR650L at subfreezing temperatures, since the stock, lead-acid battery only produces 135 CCA.

    Spud :beer
  4. Sierra Thumper

    Sierra Thumper Been here awhile

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    As usual Spud, you make some very good points :D I didn't read ahead before I posted, so I didn't see all your info.......for your application, removing the battery box and relocating the battery, the lithium was well worth it :nod ....nice work and great documentation for us by the way as well :thumb

    Personally I'm too lazy to do the whole battery relocation, so the lithium would go in the stock location. When my current battery (which I just put in) eventually dies, I imagine the lithiums will be MUCH cheaper and more advanced than now.....so thats what I'll probably run :wink:
  5. Redclayrider

    Redclayrider Long time gone

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    I mis-measured, the top of the tube (that sides into the top clamp) is 50 mm.
  6. Kawidad

    Kawidad Long timer

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    It's more important to measure the sliding portion, that's what is used to determine the vintage. It most definitely is from the late 80's to mid 90's.:deal
  7. mrfixit54016

    mrfixit54016 Wisconsin Dual Sporter

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    If they are a Honda take-off, I would guess 1990 or older. I have USD forks from a 1991 CR250R on my XRL and the front axle is clamped on both the left and right legs. Yours looks like it is threaded on one side and clamped on the other.

    Be warned, the pinch bolts on your top clamp are facing the rear of the bike, so if you are running a bigger tank, I will bet that the bolts will hit your tank. The newer CRF and CR forks have the pinch bolts coming in from the side or the front which is just enough clearance to work with a big Acerbis tank.
  8. fritzcoinc

    fritzcoinc Enjoying my last V8

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    Spud old buddy old pal, that is an asume write up on the batteries available to the XR650L owners. Crammed packed with information, and very complete information I might add :thumbup. Thanks!

    Is there a way to bookmark post like yours for quick reference later?
  9. 3girlsdad

    3girlsdad aka FiddyK

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    i was kinda trying to start something like that. haven't gotten very far, but would like to have a site just great info gleaned from this thread.the search engine on this forum sux, and when i think "oh yeah, i read that somewhere on the xr owners link" and try to find it, it's a biznatch... so, someday i'll add the stuff on this that i started xrlinks.com. feel free to feed me info. there's no advertising on it, or affiliate links or anything funky. just a place that i wanted to keep handy links...
  10. absoluteclint

    absoluteclint Been here awhile

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    I think that's a great idea. So far I've just been scribbling product names, mod ideas, etc down on a piece of paper... not very "21st Century" of me. I found this webpage in some of my research... Most of the links still work on it and it has helped me develop a base of knowledge. You may already be aware of it...

    http://ridedualsport.com/forum/index.php?topic=2038.0

    Spud... I too commend you for your writeup and research. The battery relocation interests me and is on my to-do list whenever the need for a new battery presents itself.
  11. bwalsh

    bwalsh UUU, UUU!!!

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    If you want to bookmark a single post you can click on the post number(on the top right of each post). It will display that one post in another tab, then bookmark it where you want it.
    Go to bookmarks, find that one, right click, properties, and change the name to what you want(eg: Spuds awesome battery relocation, USD fork swap, etc.
  12. Spud Rider

    Spud Rider Long timer

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    Thank you, gentlemen.

    I think Adventure riders should also consider the following information. The Antigravity 4-Cell battery is so small and lightweight it could easily be carried as a backup battery in remote locations. In fact, this battery costs less than a new, spare CDI unit, and is approximately the same size and weight. LiFePO4 batteries have a very low self-discharge rate, so the Antigravity 4-Cell battery will hold its charge for at least a year. :deal

    However, if you carry this LiFePO4 battery as a spare, be very careful not to let the battery terminals short circuit. Lithium batteries discharge at huge rates, producing enough heat to weld steel! :eek1 Fortunately, the Antigravity batteries come equipped with strong, low-profile terminals and insulated, tool-less, terminal bolts. :deal

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    Spud :beer
  13. Mossy-Back

    Mossy-Back Brown Falcon

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    Hmm... I might have to start scrounging my pennies together for a 8-cell battery now. I was going to try and buy tires in the next few months, which might be more important at this point. Maybe I'll get tires for my birthday in February. lol
  14. fritzcoinc

    fritzcoinc Enjoying my last V8

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    Being a turd makes me stupid. When you say " then bookmark it where you want it ", do you mean save to a MSWord index or Excel spreadsheet? And I don't see the bookmark option? Sorry to be dumb. Need more steps please.
    Tnks
  15. MentalGuru

    MentalGuru Crazy Diamond

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    If you want to bookmark a single post you can click on the post number(on the top right of each post). It will display that one post in another tab, then add it to your favorites
    Go to your favorites, find that one, right click, properties, and change the name to what you want(eg: Spuds awesome battery relocation, USD fork swap, etc.

    How's that.... :1drink

    Here's a link for ya...

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=20234315&postcount=49955

    :beer
  16. Dooga

    Dooga Adventure Tourer

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    The previous owner of my XRL didn't use Loctite so my bike's shaking apart. I lost one nut affixing a rear peg and also both screws affixing my rear brake light. Anyone know where I can order this bolt and these screws? I would appreciate your help.
  17. bwalsh

    bwalsh UUU, UUU!!!

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    Yeah, what he said! :lol3

    When I posted I wasn't thinking of anything other than a firefox browser which calls the links you save "bookmarks". I think Internet Explorer(IE) uses the name "favorites". Not sure as I have only used IE a few times...

    If you don't want to have to access the internet to pull these pages you save, the only thing I know to do would be to copy the text to "Word" or "notepad". After that I'm computer challenged.

    Does that help ya Fritz?
  18. ecubed

    ecubed LFC Cat

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    Ditto to the Spud :1drink

    I have the stock '02 battery in my bike and I assume that it can crap out at any time....sooooooo.....

    I finally convinced my local Honda dealer to become a Shorai dealer so I can get one cheap.....

    I brought home the 9 yesterday....and then I read this stuff...Oh well, I am going to study it and see if I can seal it up.....:eek1

    eric
  19. sc-razor

    sc-razor Long timer

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    Spud is a dandy! I am sure glad we have him:clap
  20. bwalsh

    bwalsh UUU, UUU!!!

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    I saw the Shorai literature on the parts counter last couple times I've been in.