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  1. XR650L_Dave

    XR650L_Dave Long timer

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    "Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac? "
    George Carlin

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  2. Jeff Munn

    Jeff Munn Just along for the ride..

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    Will do. I've been reading a LOT of TAT reports.

    I am NOT a top end kinda guy. I don't even like going over 60-65 mph on the pavement anymore. I'd much rather go fast on dirt and in the curves.

    Loud pipes are obnoxious to me, and most non-riders. Like you, I'd rather be in stealth mode in the back country. Plus, I'm a little bit frugal and paying big bucks for a performance pipe is not where I want to put my money.

    I think I'll try the #55/#158 with the clip spacer and see what that does. It is running lean, and is cold blooded. Will go with the UNI filter and maybe remove the snorkel. If I replace them I'll keep them in the kit for the higher elevations, if needed.

    The trip is a graduation present for my nephew. He is 18 and needed a small carrot to get to graduation. We'll start in late June on the Outer Banks, literally riding in the Atlantic. Then head west and take the TAT to Oregon. Plan is to camp the majority of the time. His Dad will fly out to Oregon to meet us. We'll change the sprockets, oil, adjust valves, and put on street tires, then he and his Dad will ride back to Virginia on Route 50, and I'll fly home with the camping gear while they motel it. We're planning 5 weeks out, and two weeks back. Planned oil and tire/sprocket changes in Colorado, then again in Oregon.

    I'm looking as much towards this ride as any I've ever been on. Only it should be easier with no border crossings, and not having to learn a new language! My normal ride is an R1150GS, but I think the XR will be better suited for this ride, especially out west.

    If anyone has great suggestions about the TAT and mods on the XR for it, please let me know. Already have the Clarke 4.7 tank, rear lightweight rack, and a lowering link. Will be adding a bash plate, larger pegs, and some type of rear soft luggage system. Would love to hear what others have used and prefer.

    Thanks everyone.

    jeff
  3. mcma111

    mcma111 Long timer

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    Jeff,

    You might think about redoing the seat on the XRL to something a bit more comfortable for the long haul.

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  4. pngaudioguy

    pngaudioguy Just...one...more...

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    Sourjon (sp?) did the TAT on an XRL last year, if I recall correctly. He might have some specific XRL pointers, and seems to stop by frequently.
  5. Sasquatch2112

    Sasquatch2112 Asbestos

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    I did the mods and a pipe and went 55/160. Too much, I am going to go with 55/158 and see where that takes me. Maybe as low as 55/155 based on some of the reports I have read. I am at sea level.
  6. Ben99r1

    Ben99r1 Long timer

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    Bob. We ride pretty much in the same areas. 55/158 shimmed needle, air box mod, header mod, uni filter is rt about spot on. you will be able to notice slight difference in the weather changes is all.
  7. Sasquatch2112

    Sasquatch2112 Asbestos

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    Right now she is a touch too rich. I am not getting a crisp response when I twist the handle. Maybe I am not twisting hard enough. I hope to have it sorted out by DV. If not, she will just have to be a bit rich.


    It looks like there are going to be several Ls there maybe need to do a lineup for this page. :wink:
  8. Ulyses

    Ulyses Long timer

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    So, I put on a new chain in Medellin, Colombia. Actually, I had a shop do it for me which I'm kind of regretting. After leaving Medellin, I checked it a few times and it was nice and tight. A few days ago, I went to check it and found it extremely loose! The tensioners were set at 20 and I had to bump them up all the way to 35 to get it tight! I have a feeling that the shop cut it too long.

    After riding all day yesterday, I went and checked it again and found to be extremely loose, again! I did a closer inspection and noticed that the plastic guard at the front of the swingarm had worn all the way through and the chain was begining to score the metal of the swing arm! Yikes!

    In any event, this lead to an inspection of the countershaft sprocket. I haven't really had to deal with countersprockets before; how much wear should it have before you replace it? I have some pictures, but the quality is low. If anyone can give me an assessment based off of these, I would appreciate it.

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    I have a few more questions about the sprocket: should there be any movement (play) between the sprocket and the countershaft? I estimate that I've got maybe a half-milimeter of play in this direction between the splines of the shaft and the splines on the sprocket:

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    And then maybe a milimeter of play between the locking splined washer thingy that keeps the sprocket on the shaft, and the outer splines of the shaft:

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    Also, the aforementioned locking splined washer thingy (what is the proper nomenclature for this thing?) looks like the inside of it's teeth are a little wore down.

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    Is this normal, or is it wear and should I be concerned? Thanks,

    Ulyses
  9. kenny61

    kenny61 TBI survivor and damn proud of it

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    put an xr650R sprocket on it. If its tight you mah have caught it in time. if its just floppin around it may be time for a new shaft
  10. Mossy-Back

    Mossy-Back Brown Falcon

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    I'm pretty sure his brother put a XRR sprocket on it before he left Oregon for South America...
  11. Ben99r1

    Ben99r1 Long timer

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    The chain is probably still good. But that front sprocket is toast is most likely the rear is no good too. Put on a new set and you should be good to go. Also lube up the shaft when you install the new ones.
  12. mcma111

    mcma111 Long timer

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    Did you install a O'ring chain or a standard? What brand? It could be that the chain you installed is a POS and is just stretching which will wear out the sprockets in no time at all. The counter shaft sprocket teeth look very worn. It isn't a OE sprocket. Don't worry about the keeper's teeth being worn. If you can replace the front sprocket and chain. Get the best quality O'ring chain you can find. Money well spent. What does the rear sprocket teeth look like?

    Take a picture of you pulling the chain away from the rear sprocket at the 3' position. I would like to see how much daylight is between the gear and chain. A new chain should have none.
  13. Sourjon

    Sourjon TAT'erd

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    Jeff I did the TAT a couple years ago on my XRL and it's the perfect weapon for the job. Do Dave's mods. All the carbs are the same and it's worth doing. 55/158 on the jets works for me everywhere but I'm not looking to wring the last smidgen out of the thing and will accept a little less at altitude. It's still more than enough for anything you'll encounter.

    If you can get the newest Tenn. maps from Sam. Much better than the original. In the west I'd recommend the original. He's rerouted around Hancock and Tomichi and some others due to complaints from big bike riders. I won't even go into how I feel about that but there it is. If you do Hancock and Tomichi you'll be glad to have the bash plate.

    I see you said you have a rack already but I'll plug cycleracks.com anyway. They're big and a little goofy looking but they hold a lot of stuff securely and in my opinion help support the rear subframe. I've done a lot of traveling offroad and on and not had the first frame issue. Plus it's a good handhold to pick the pig up. I tumbled end over end in Oklahoma and everything stayed put. Well except for the windscreen and front fender.

    Here's the pig ready for the TAT. Tent, sleeping bag and dry bag on the rack. I used DirtBagz big set and really like them but NOT waterproof. I put everything in dry bags. They're very tough and stable on the bike. D606 front and rear like I always do. Very happy with that combo for my style of riding.
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    Take your time and look around. It's a big country and lots of great people and scenery to see. Sounds like you've got a great plan with the nephew.
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    John
  14. fritzcoinc

    fritzcoinc Enjoying my last V8

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  15. joexr

    joexr Banned

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    Dont cut the airbox,the opening is large enough.The problem is airflow under the seat.The raised lip on top of the airbox where the snorkel was,cut it to about1/4 inch high and cut the rib infront of it on the bottom of the seat.Then see if rejetting is necessary.I left part of the lip on the airbox to deter water.
  16. ONandOFF

    ONandOFF more off than on

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    Hi Bryce. You should be concerned. Don't keep riding like that. :nono

    People forget about keeping those splines lubricated and they end up getting sloppy, problem is it's not just the sprocket, the shaft itself gets worn too. I'm sure yours is compromised, and it takes a complete engine removal and disassembly to replace, but maybe you can continue with this one if you replace the sprocket with one for the "R" model, which has a longer base contact with the shaft.

    Don't worry about the locking tab not engaging tightly with the splines; it's only supposed to hold the sprocket from sliding up and down the shaft much while in the circumference groove. As long as you can insert it as far as the groove, rotate it a half-tooth and have it grab, you're good.

    I have a feeling the shop set your chain too tight, and that's what caused it to stretch way out. It may be compromised now, also. Very few people seem to know how to adjust a chain on a motorcycle. They go to measuring play here and there as they think they understand the manufacturer's instructions, and think they've got it, but the procedures are prone to error and misinterpretation. It's very simple with any bike, just compress the rear suspension until the line between the center of the two sprockets passes through the centerline of the swingarm pivot. This is the tightest point the chain sees. Tighten the chain so it's as tight as it can be without putting any "pull" on the sprockets. You can tell when you wiggle the chain as you tighten it, feel it go from sloppy, through just right, to under tension. You don't want tension! Your chain getting so loose so fast indicates it was probably under tension in that suspension position, the same is which probably caused your sprocket to accelerate wear at the shaft. BTW, the teeth on the sprocket look perfectly serviceable, another clue to excessive tightness.

    You should measure your chain length off the bike and see if it's still in spec.

    You still in Trujillo, or travel today?
  17. chipbl

    chipbl Been here awhile

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    Here ya go, TAT ready.

    Post TAT:

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    With luggage:

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    Short nap:

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    You get the idea. Happy to send you a complete mod list for whatever you can't see.

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  18. ONandOFF

    ONandOFF more off than on

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    As you wish. You can do it in steps or this way and then go back to what I suggested after you find it bubbly rich and guzzling gas. :wink:

    The trip sounds sweet, Jeff! I hope your nephew appreciates it. I'd love to do this. Only a few things coming immediately to mind at the moment. A manner of "highway pegs" out front to reposition your feet on long easy stretches. A tool tube up there may be helpful. Rim locks front and back. A connector for charging your phone, etc, while stopped. A good project would be to put together a list and then publicize it for other prospectives to get a head start.

    But I can't agree on the lowering link, personally. One good slam on a bottom-out could spell trouble for your back. I would never consider it myself, and I'm a short guy, can barely touch both sides at the same time on tippy-toes. Love my XRL suspension. Next improvement: a control that drops the bike to the bottom of its suspension when stopped, normal suspension action when under way. :D
  19. Ulyses

    Ulyses Long timer

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    Thanks to everyone for getting back to me! I do have an XR650R 15 tooth sprocket up front; we put it on when the bike had only about 2,000 miles on it. I just recently passed 12,000 miles. There really isn't much circular play in the spines at all; should it be totally rock hard snug to the point that you have to pound it on with a hammer? Or is there generally a tiny amount of looseness to it?

    The chain is an EK gold chain. I bought it back in the states before I left and have been lugging it around until I got to Colombia and changed it. It's been on for about 2,000 miles now. I thought it was an X-ring chain, but I never took it out of the box to check and when i did I found out it wasn't even an O-ring chain!

    Regardless, it's raining right now and I can't reallydo anything about it. I'm going to tighten up the chain in the morning and then run down Lima and find a good bike shop.

    If you all think that that sprocket is worn, I know a guy who is coming to Peru in a few days and I could have him bring me a new one. I also have a factory 14 tooth sprocket with me that we took off the bike before putting on the XRR one.

    I'll try and take some pictures tomorrow when I get to Lima and maybe a video to show you all what it looks like.

    Thanks again!

    Ulyses
  20. elsalvadorklr

    elsalvadorklr southern xr rider

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    BRYCE QUIT tightening the chain! thats part of your issue

    I use non oring chains and ride hard offroad and only adjust every 500miles or so if needed...

    mine last a long time and they are DID normal tensile strength chains

    that ek gold you have is a good chain

    there is something wrong in your setup and its probably an alignment and overtightening sutuation...

    I also use new chains on old sprockets with no issues whatsoever..but I am METICULOUS about alignment and keeping it nice and slack

    also lube or clean off after every run...

    good luck!

    christian