XSR700 in lieu of FJ07 in USA?

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by jamesf, Sep 26, 2017.

  1. jamesf

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    I'm giving up hope on the FJ07. At the top of the queue are the Africa Twin and Duc Scrambler (likely a Desert Sled).

    Then Yamaha brings in the XSR. Is it a Scrambler competitor or just a bigger SR400? Will it cement the lack of FJ07 in the USA?

    Any Euro folks tried mounting bags and going offroad?

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  2. ITFOWjacket

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    Neither. It's an FZ07 with slightly less aggressive ergos and not ugly. Actually damn good looking, but that doesn't change it from a sv650, cb650f, ninja650 competitor like it always has been.

    It'll be an awesome commuter, city bike. I don't think there are hardly any aftermarket luggage and screen options though I would want to farkle it up for sport touring if I had one. Pretty sure the engine and chassis are plenty capable
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  3. Gustavo

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    It's not a Tracer 700 (or FJ-07, as it would probably be called here if it ever showed up) but I can see several advantages over the FZ-07. It's roomier, with better ergos for touring and light dirt duty. Many of the FZ accesories will fit, the frame is the same. The rear sub frame is different, so luggage racks probably won't interchange.

    It's not a larger SR400. It's a retro looking modern bike. It's likely just as capable of slaying larger sport bikes in the twisties as the FZ is.

    It's priced a bit dearly, considering that the 900 version is only $500 more than the FZ and this is $1000 more. So maybe not quite the bargain the FZ-07 is. But a lot cheaper than a Scrambler and sized for full size adults. Not to mention it's not a Ducati... :lol3

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    Givi already has a line of racks and accessories for the XSR. You probably won't see them on the US sites yet, but you can find it on the Italian site.

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    https://www.givi.it/my-motorcycle#YAMAHA,XSR700_(16_>_17)


    I can see one of these in my garage...

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  4. John Ashman

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    If they could figure out some retro sport tour fairing for the XSR (similar to the Suzuki concept maybe) and some hard bags with some small leather trim to match the seat or some other thing to continue the classic look, that could be a good alternative to the Tracer 700, but I think they should bring ALL the bikes in and let the people decide. As much as I think the XSR is cool, the Tracer is pretty much my ideal street bike.

    I do think they can do some sweet looking bags for the XSR based on the shape and style of the side covers, with a bit of leather wrap. But I find it odd that Yamaha always underestimates the US market and finally caves after the demand has reached a certain fevered pitch. I say bring in one years worth and see if it takes 6 months to sell or 2 years, but either way, they'd make some sales. I can certainly understand why they might not bring a 10 year old bike in, but a new bike? Come on. We shouldn't have to beg.
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  5. John Ashman

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    But do keep in mind that the FJ (Tracer) is pure street bike, not remotely an ADV bike. However, the T7 is supposed to be shown this fall probably for next spring delivery and that will be more of an ADV bike. So bikes like the AT and Desert Sled (DS) are obviously more dirt oriented than the FJ/Tracer, as will the T7 be.
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  6. gehart

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    I still want the tracer/FJ-07 and I've told that to every dealer I've been to. Yamaha lost a potential sale as I bought a 14 cb500x to ride while I waited for the Tracer to be brought to NA .
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  7. The_Precious_Juice

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    Neither.

    Just a standard bike, with some retro styling.

    I actually think the engine is too much for this kind Package.
    But, I prefer the CBR300R over the R3, and the Rebel 300 over the 500.

    A bike with a engine like this deserves a respectable wind shield, stock. 686cc @ 70+ hp is about some 55mph + speed zones.

    I think the MT-03 engine would do well in this Package. I demo road the R3, and after 7,000rpm, she takes off. Now, that is a city bike that can handle some caynons.

    However, I can see where a 250lbs person would want the 700 over the 300. Especially, they lived in a flat Region.
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  8. John Ashman

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    An XSR300 would be a helluva cool little bike. The MT03 is too expensive for its ugliness and power. At least an XSR package would make it very desirable. Likewise, a Tracer package would be much more useful to me than the wannabe racer styling.
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  9. The_Precious_Juice

    The_Precious_Juice 2013 DR650

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    You could make a Netflex original series with the Tracer trim and go 7 seasons, easy.
    Any plot will do.

    That is how great that bike is.
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  10. John Ashman

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    The problem in Mexico is that an MT3 is nearly as expensive as a basic car and nearly twice the price of the Honda CBR 250. Probably a country of origin thing in a not so free trade country.

    An XSR300 would make a brilliant replacement for the SR400.
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    Why not get an FJ09?
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  12. The_Precious_Juice

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    I've never ridden one, but the XSR900.

    10/10 on value.
    9/10 on Holiganism. And that's for a Sport Tourer!

    The 700 is more mellow.
    Most Riders want the 700. I road the FZ model and really liked the engine.
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  13. John Ashman

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    I think there is some valid concern for Yamaha in that if the Tracer is seen as a sport tourer, rather than an "ADV" bike, that sales will suck donkey balls. Sport tourer sales have tanked as people buy sport tourers that appear to be ADV bikes. And even then, the ones with 19" or 21" front wheels appear to sell the fastest. So the Tracer could sell like crap because people are mostly dumb. And they have to sell to the "mostly" audience. "Do you like to ride off road?" "No, but I want to know that the bike COULD go off road if I wanted to....someday....in the future.....maybe". Sadly, simply putting a 19" front on it would make it a good seller in the US. Even if it lowered performance.
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  14. The_Precious_Juice

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    :confused

    The Tracer bikes (700 and 900) is a street bike with a strong Sport Touring Personality.

    The engine sells theses MT bikes, not marketing.
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    Do you deny that people buy based on image and aesthetics? The Tracer sells well in Europe but I'm not so sure it will sell that well here, even though I think they should bring it *anyway*. Throw a 19" front rim on it and market it as a "Street Tenere" and it will sell better. That's pretty much a fact. Yes, the engine does sell these bikes over the competition, but not if it's in a category that people don't want to buy anyway. Honda has all but abandoned sport tourers in favor of ADV looking sport tourers. So has almost everyone else - Triumph, BMW, Aprilia, KTM, Suzuki, Yamaha, Kawasaki, you name it, if they hadn't done it, they aborted and if they had, they quickly focused on ADV styling. Keep in mind that the Tracer 700 is my perfect street bike. Light, flexible, capable, yet good enough for long 100mile commutes. Not looking like an ADV bike certainly wouldn't stop me. Money might, but not the styling. Styling and marketing never stopped me.

    Still think that Yamaha needs to beef up its 321cc twin to 450cc and make a proper Tenere enduro with true rally capabilities.
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  16. John Ashman

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    Another example of this is the CBR650F. A "Super Sport", which is to say a dumbed down sport bike. Like an "Under Sport". The I4 engine is useless for most anything else, though the bike really should be sold with bags and upright ergos as a sport tourer, given how underwhelming it is as a sport bike from what I've read. Yet, "Under Sports" sell better than sport tourers, so no bags, no good ergos. It was really puzzling that Honda would even waste time developing this engine when a twin or triple would have been far more versatile and competitive, as well as making for a lighter, torquier beginner's bike than an I4.
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  17. The_Precious_Juice

    The_Precious_Juice 2013 DR650

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    Inline four sport bikes with $11,000+MSRP are a mystery to me.
    The FZ-07 can handle herself around them.
    The FZ-09 can smoke check them in A mode, and is thousands less.

    The Ninja 650 is my kind of Sport Bike. I looked up the CBR650F. $8,749 starting seems interesting. Seems like a fair price for someone who wants the sound of a inline four while commuting around town and looking and sounding cool.

    Good point on Honda being lost. They tend to be.
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  18. eakins

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    I'd say the hipster retro market is much stronger in the US than the sport touring market.
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    The gen 2 Vstrom 650 with a Givi Airflow screen is that, a street adv bike.
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  20. The_Precious_Juice

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    Really?

    One of the rare times I disagree with eakins.

    I had to double check what a Sport Touring bike was to make sure I was not on the wrong page.

    http://www.visordown.com/features/motorcycle-top-10s/01-honda-cbr1100xx-blackbird-1996

    Those bikes are pretty cool. FROM 2016.

    Number one is the FJR1300.

    I guess I'm in a non Hipster patch of America.
    I can't remember ever seeing a SR400 or a DUCATI Scrambler.
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