Yamaha WR450F Adventure Bike

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  1. motomike14

    motomike14 Thumper Crusader

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    The WR has a condition where the front wheel doesn't stay on the ground a whole lot. Oh well. :evil

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  2. Farmer Roy

    Farmer Roy Been here awhile

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    WR450 Long Range Desert Weapon
    <!-- #dg-post-title --><!-- message -->umm G'day
    just come back from a 5 day, 3 State, 3300km high speed blast out to Cameron Corner on my WR450
    Gunnedah, Narrabri, Pilliga, Walget, Carinda, Bourke, Wanaaring, Tibooburra, the Corner, back along Middle Road to Tibooburra, Broken Hill, Menindee, along the south side of the Darling River to Wilcannia, Tilpa, Louth, Bourke, up to Collerina, Goodooga, Hebel, Dirranbandi, Nindigully, Mungindi, the Watercourse Road to Moree, then back to Gunnedah.
    travelled with one other bike, a 650 Transalp
    carried everything on bike, fuel, water, swag, food, tools.
    sat on 110 - 150 most of the way, big distances 150 on the dirt
    bike standard WR with 16 litre Safari ( carried 9l fuel bladder ) & cush sprocket 15 - 45 gearing, and a home made screen upcycled from a plastic 20l chemical drum
    carried litre bottle of oil with me, did oil change at Broken Hill
    carried clean / oiled airfilter, plus used chux wipes as filter skins
    averaged about 17 - 18km/l
    Kush sprocket lost all its 'cush' somewhere between Bourke & Wanaaring on Day 1 - 760km, but kept driving metal on metal for the following 2600km of the trip without any issues. I was a bit cautious with it Day 2, but didnt worry about it after that & it got a fair thrashing
    luggage was oztrail biker swag, light shoes & fuel bladder strapped onto el cheapo ebay rack at rear
    Wolfman E-12 saddlebags, left side carried water, right side toiletries & t shirt / shorts for evening wear
    Wolfman tank panniers, left side bike maintainence, oil / airfilter / chain lube etc, right side stove, torch, rum flask etc
    Wolfman tank bag carried hat, wallet, wipes, camera, maps etc
    Camel back 2 l water, 6 x Back Country Cuisine dehydrated meals, 6 x ziplock bags of rolled oats, dried fruit & milk powder, tea bags, toilet roll, muesli bars
    carried a Pit Posse bumbag for tools
    Wolfman fender bag on front gaurd with 2 spare tubes
    I made the mistake of changing the fuel / ignition mapping back to standard in an effort to improve fuel economy but i dont think it did, & it lost top end power in that high speed sand & powdery conditions. I decided to leave the Power Tuner at home cos I was keeping the packing to a minimum, but next time I think I'll just leave it set on the Aussie Map
    Front tyre was the original Bridgestone Gritty E 3 ( something like that ) at 22 psi, it wore well
    Rear tyre was a brand new Dunlop 606, 120/90-18 run at a constant 18 psi. Brilliant tyre, gripped well, wore well, with some hot fast running. Instant choice for next rear tyre
    No flat tyres
    Only mechanical issue apart from the Kush sprocket is the chain slider didnt last & the chain started to chew its way into the swingarm. Found a discarded 20l plastic chemical drum & made a new one out of it, taking some of the drum to make spares. First one didnt work very well, Mark Two made it to Moree, and just slipping a bit more plastic under that one got me back to Gunnedah
    Seat was ok untill the last day, when it really started to be an issue. In Moree I sat on the concrete footpath to eat lunch & it was so comfortable, I might replace my seat with a paving stone
    when i got home i gave the WR a pat on its headlight & said " good bike "
    all in all, an awesome ride on an awesome bike
    anyone who says you cant do distance on a WR, or cant 'Adventure' one, well, harden up aye . . . .
    love my WR450
  3. Farmer Roy

    Farmer Roy Been here awhile

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    umm, i have heard somewhere that the clutch from a yammie 450 quad bike has some sort of dampener or cushion in it, will fit a WR450 & is an alternative to a cush drive hub

    can anyone enlighten me or tell me more?
  4. KGSloan

    KGSloan Been here awhile

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    you are correct - you must also buy the drive gear for the quad (the gear pitch is different than the bike), the part is around $50 - the clutch basket is around $250. I just did this on my 2004 WR450 478cc, YZ Cams, dual sport. :huh

    http://partstream.arinet.com/Image?...tp://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/ari-main.html

    #1 and #4 in the above diagram and it all bolts right up. this is how Yamaha addressed the transmission shock issue with the added traction in the quad.

    yamaha part #
    5TG-16111-00-00 PRIMARY DRIVE GEAR
    5D3-16150-00-00 PRIMARY DRIVEN GEAR COMP. aka "clutch basket"
  5. Jolly705

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    I think we need proof that this trip actually took place with some photos :deal:lol3

  6. slowoldguy

    slowoldguy Tire Tester

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    Which edition of the Kush sprocket fragged? The latest? I tried to order a 45 and they were sold out last week. Saw a report of one that lasted 4000 miles so I thought I would give it a go. Now your report of it failing in 800 kilometers. Jeez.
  7. MTDuke

    MTDuke Been here awhile

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    Thanks for those two links, good stuff.

    I installed the 16l Safari on my 12 wr450f recently. Install was as described in link, easy enough. Although I could not get my fuel pump to seal. The tank itself where pump mates up was not level....even after sanding I had gas leaks. Used some super duper gas tank sealer to remount and left it for a week before putting gas in it. Sealed up nicely and I'm a couple of day rides in without leaks. I have read a number of problems such as mine so be aware.

    The info on range is great. I mounted this tank for a 10 day baja dirt trip next month and do not have the riding time until then to get range nailed. Riding position has been fine for me and don't really notice its there. When full, no feeling of extra weight etc.. Of course I am not an extremely aggressive rider so others may have a different experience.




  8. Farmer Roy

    Farmer Roy Been here awhile

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    dunno which generation Kush mine was, I think it was the latest but maybe there is an update. Havent spoken to them yet.
    My sprocket did approx 1000km around home before the trip, it was about 700km into the trip the rubbers failed, so it probably did say 1600km ? I was hoping for at least 5000km. I think the high speed dirt riding over corrugations ( washboard ) and the pulsing effect contibuted to the failure, but thats exactly the situation where i want the dampening for the transmission

    will report back when i speak to Mr Kush

    cheers
  9. slowoldguy

    slowoldguy Tire Tester

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    Please do report back. And ask him about availability too if you could.
  10. eRRmmm

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    This works for the steel framed motors (thinking of doing it to my 2005 WRF), but did they change the quad engine when they changed the WRF engine in 2007?

    If not, the old clutch etc may may well fit the newer engine but the primary drive ratio is different, something to be aware of. If you're running 15:45 on a late model WR, I think you'd need to change to 16:45 with the early primary drive gears, that's if it would fit of course.

    Edit: Just checked part numbers at Motosport.com and the 2005 YFZ450 and 2013 YFZ450 quads have the same part numbers for primary driven gear and primary drive gear (same as KGSloan's 2004 part numbers listed above).

    Edit again: It looks like there are two models of YFZ450 in the later years, a YFZ450D and a YFZ450R. The YFZ450R appears to have the same primary drive ratio as the later model WRF's (primary drive gear is same part number), while the YFZ450D has the same as the early WRF's.

    I'm going to follow this up, as I'd like both the YFZ clutch hub, and the primary drive ratio from the later model WR's...
  11. KGSloan

    KGSloan Been here awhile

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    what you described is correct - if you have a steel frame, the primary drive gear ratio stays the same with the parts i listed. if you have an aluminum frame, it will change, and a sprocket change would be needed to keep it all the same. As far as i'm aware, it will all bolt up internally regardless of steel/aluminum frame - but, i haven't done this on an aluminum frame to confirm that.


    i was unaware that there was a yfz clutch hub and primary drive gear with the late model ratio.....
  12. eRRmmm

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    Part numbers for YFZ and WRF drive/driven gears:

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    </td><td class="xl65" style="width:65pt" width="87">Primary ratio</td><td style="width:80pt" width="107">drive gear pn</td><td style="width:119pt" width="158">driven gear pn</td></tr><tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"><td style="height:15.0pt" height="20">2005 WRF</td><td class="xl65">62:22</td><td class="xl66">[URL="http://www.motosport.com/AU/dirtbike/oem-parts/YAMAHA/2005/WR450F/CLUTCH/GEAR%2C-PRIMARY-DRIVE/5TJ-16111-00-00"]5TJ-16111-00-00[/URL]</td><td class="xl66">[URL="http://www.motosport.com/AU/dirtbike/oem-parts/YAMAHA/2005/WR450F/CLUTCH/PRIMARY-DRIVEN-GEAR-COMP./5XD-16150-20-00"]5XD-16150-20-00[/URL]</td></tr><tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"><td style="height:15.0pt" height="20">2005 YFZ</td><td class="xl65">62:22</td><td class="xl66">[URL="http://www.motosport.com/AU/atv/oem-parts/YAMAHA/2005/YFZ450/CLUTCH/GEAR%2C-PRIMARY-DRIVE/5TG-16111-00-00"]5TG-16111-00-00[/URL]</td><td class="xl66">[URL="http://www.motosport.com/AU/atv/oem-parts/YAMAHA/2005/YFZ450/CLUTCH/PRIMARY-DRIVEN-GEAR-COMP./5D3-16150-00-00"]5D3-16150-00-00[/URL]</td></tr><tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"><td style="height:15.0pt" height="20">
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    </td></tr><tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"><td style="height:15.0pt" height="20">2013 YFZ-D</td><td class="xl65">62:22</td><td class="xl66">[URL="http://www.motosport.com/AU/atv/oem-parts/YAMAHA/2013/YFZ-450-/CLUTCH/GEAR%2C-PRIMARY-DRIVE/5TG-16111-00-00"]5TG-16111-00-00[/URL]</td><td class="xl66">[URL="http://www.motosport.com/AU/atv/oem-parts/YAMAHA/2013/YFZ-450-/CLUTCH/PRIMARY-DRIVEN-GEAR-COMP./5D3-16150-00-00"]5D3-16150-00-00[/URL]</td></tr><tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"><td style="height:15.0pt" height="20">
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    </td></tr><tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"><td style="height:15.0pt" height="20">2013 WRF</td><td class="xl65">61:23</td><td class="xl66">[URL="http://www.motosport.com/AU/dirtbike/oem-parts/YAMAHA/2013/WR450F/CLUTCH/GEAR%2C-PRIMARY-DRIVE/2S2-16111-60-00"]2S2-16111-60-00[/URL]</td><td class="xl66">[URL="http://www.motosport.com/AU/dirtbike/oem-parts/YAMAHA/2013/WR450F/CLUTCH/PRIMARY-DRIVEN-GEAR-COMP./5XD-16150-60-00"]5XD-16150-60-00[/URL]</td></tr><tr style="height:15.0pt" height="20"><td style="height:15.0pt" height="20">2013 YFZ-RD</td><td class="xl65">61:23</td><td class="xl66">[URL="http://www.motosport.com/AU/atv/oem-parts/YAMAHA/2013/YFZ-450R-/CLUTCH/GEAR%2C-PRIMARY-DRIVE/2S2-16111-60-00"]2S2-16111-60-00[/URL]</td><td class="xl67" style="width:119pt" width="158">[URL="http://www.motosport.com/AU/atv/oem-parts/YAMAHA/2013/YFZ-450R-/CLUTCH/PRIMARY-DRIVEN-GEAR-COMP./18P-16150-10-00"]18P-16150-10-00 [/URL]</td></tr> </tbody></table>
    The parts diagram for the later models shows the clutch hub for the 2013 YFZ-RD without the cush springs.

    The 2013 YFZ-D diagram does have the cush springs shown, as does the 2005 YFZ.

    So if you want the cush clutch, it seems you're stuck with the old model primary ratio.
  13. 306dad

    306dad Been here awhile

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    i am looking for feed back and help----i want to purchase a wr450f does the bike have good low end torque--when purchased besides gas tank what should i purchase??? thanks for all the help
  14. Jolly705

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    These bikes have great low end torque, besides some bolt on protection you don't need a thing (hand guards, radiator guards, etc.). They are great all around bikes that are SUPER reliable. Here is a thread I started with must have parts for the newer FI models

    http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=934766

  15. 306dad

    306dad Been here awhile

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    awesome thank you
  16. ZZ4Blazer

    ZZ4Blazer Been here awhile

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    I'd have to disagree. The bike MUST be opened up, or you might as well buy the 250 instead. After that it's all personal preference and riding type/style.
  17. Jolly705

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    haha.. I thought that was a given :rofl

  18. 306dad

    306dad Been here awhile

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    well i certainly want to open in up and help in breath
  19. continentaldrifter

    continentaldrifter Adventurer

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    I have an 07 450 and would like to plate.....my question--which kit is the best quality kit with an option for tight fitting bulb housing, preferably flush mount led? i am not the most graceful rider and am looking for signals that wont bust off in a biff. I have no problem paying for quality, i just need it to perform.
  20. fastdadio

    fastdadio Still gettin faster

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    Two sources quickly come to mind. I have installed two Sicass kits and found them to be excellent. No problems after 5 yrs of abuse.
    http://sicassracing.com/store/products/lighting_kits/yamaha

    http://www.bajadesigns.com/products/motorcycle-products