Yamaha X-Max 400

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  1. DOUBLE-O G

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    A French website is reporting a possible X-Max 400 as a replacement to the Majesty 400.

    http://www.scooter-station.com/Yamaha-X-Max-400-YP400R-Le-chainon-manquant.html

    The Majesty 400 sold in the US is based on a slightly older version of the Majesty 400 sold in Europe. One the main differences is that it features a double disk brake on the front (and some cosmetic differences as well). Since we never got the upgraded version, would we get the X-Max 400 if it went into production?
    I sure would like one.
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  2. cbolling

    cbolling Here...Hold my Beer.

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    I took 2 years of French in High School.

    That page looks French to me.:deal

    I have no f'n idea what it says.:lol3
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  3. DOUBLE-O G

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    I'm pretty sure I said that in my post...

    If you use chrome, it will ask you if you want a translation. If you are using a different browser, just copy and paste the text in google translator. And voila!
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  4. Phipsd

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    The X-Max 250 is similar to my Citycom 300 in terms of HP, wheelbase and overall configuration. The 400 looks similar but uses a 400 single. For those of us who like this style of bike, this could be interesting.
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  5. Plasins

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    Here you go.

    Yamaha are scooters that sell the most. But in the Japanese line, between the best-selling X - Max and TMAX, there are more intermediate maxiscooter, the Majesty 400 disappeared. What model could replace it? The X - Max 400 of course! Explanations

    [SIZE=+0]There's more scooter motor 400 cm3 in the Yamaha range. Segment until then occupied by the model YP 400 Majesty, to pull out last year. Certainly, there is still some models of Maxi-the scooter GT in stock to sell, 2011 vintages equipped with ABS sold at a promotional rate of €6 340. However, between the X - Max 250 sold €5 099 and the TMAX 530 posted $ 10,699, you will soon find switch top bearing the logo to the three tuning forks.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=+0]Gold from Yamaha, with a X - Max 125 n ° 1 sales of two-wheelers in France (6 441 units in 2012), become a TMAX (5,087 copies sold) 530, the scooter is a segment of the utmost importance - the first motorcycle Yamaha's top 100 is the XJ6, sold in 3-489 copies in 2012. Then how to fill the void left by the disappearance of the latest evolution of 400 Majesty scooter which, Let's admit, not really met in Europe the success expected by the Japanese manufacturer? The average displacement sports GT scooter track seems most relevant. Explanations.[/SIZE]

    Sport and Majesty 400 engine chassis

    [SIZE=+0]The French market is fond of GT scooter. Hexagonal feature, we appreciate these high gear range for their large capacity, their outstanding protection and performance of the first order. With a X - Max 125 records the first place of the Tricolor podium since its release and a 250 model, whose sales figures are far from being ridiculous (in 2012, with 777 units it is 4th sale scooter over 125 cc), the appearance of a X - Max 400 cm3 seems us quite relevant. The maxi would retrieve the Majesty 400 fire cylinder, developing maximum power of 34 horses. This engine would then become lodged in a more sporty chassis and a more rigorous than that of the 400 Majesty, improved cycle part on this plan. Theory, Yes, but not only! Indeed, according to our information, Yamaha would be taking floor on a GT Sport model that is intermediate between the X - Max and TMAX, with placement price precisely 'stack hair' between the two. This model will happen in 2013? We have no other information about this... for the moment at least. So, stay tuned![/SIZE]
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    I can't imagine tha rather bulky 395cc enine from the Majesty in the rather
    slim X-max, it'll probably be a bigger scooter all together..

    I wouldn't be surprised if they made that move since the Majesty isn't selling
    well here (EU) either. It's also rather top heavy and sluggish for it's power
    (the pre-redesign had 0-60mph performance of mediocre 250cc scooters
    and the current model, while a lot faster, still takes 11 seconds, which is
    again slower then most).

    I've see a lot of local reviews mentioning that the handling is strictly
    comfort optimized (read: it doesn't handle). The X-max is really the
    opposite.

    Majesty 400 fans & owners will not be happy with this move, though,
    since the X-max is a much smaller/less comfortable scoot.

    Never helped that the Majesty was 30-40% more money then the X-max
    too, and rather close in price to the T-max which was a better choice
    logically.
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    I read the same article. Gotta love Google translate. LOL
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    It's gonna end up being a forum post by someone who said
    "I wish my Xmax 250 was a 400."

    :deal
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    The Sym would be a good alternative but it requires more maintenance. I mean, an oil change every 2,000 miles? The new BV350 requires maintenance every 6,000 miles. Even the Majesty 400 had 4,000 mile maintenance intervals - and that's an older design. Plus the Sym really is a 250 and not a 300...
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    Good luck with that interval, I'm aware of 2 (two) people who didn't make
    it to the 2nd interval with the original belt. One snapped right after the 6k
    checkup (6250) and the other at 7500, and it's supposed to be good for
    more then that.

    That's why they're only $100.
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    I am not sure how the belt plays into oil changes but at any rate, an oil change every 2,000 miles sounds a bit much.
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    Plays into judging if a scoot is better or not just because intervals are short.
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    You would have to define what "better" is. Does that include performance, resale value?...
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    Quality, falling apart (or not).
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    The oil change on the SYM takes about 5 minutes tops. You undo the drain plug, put it back and pour in the oil. It's right out in the open. I do the oil on my SYM every 3000 km because oil is cheap and engines aren't.

    If I was on a long tour and I was using a top grade synthetic like Mobile1 5-40 diesel oil I would have no problem extending that to 5000 km. Given that scooters are frequently used for short trips and it's cold starts that most quickly contaminate oil, leaving the oil in for 6000 miles even with a filter isn't too bright.

    It's common for European vehicles to have extended drain intervals but those long drains usually require very high spec oils not commonly used here in North America and ideal usage. If you look at how most vehicles are actually used they would qualify for the severe service drain interval.

    I hear it a lot that the SYM is somehow inferior and not worth buying because it's only 263. So what. It's well engineered, reliable, easy to maintain, runs well, goes plenty fast for what it is and is a joy to ride for my six four plus. I'll take quality and good design over a few more CCs anyday.
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    I have owned several BMWs and they all have a 6,000 mile oil change interval. My current CBR250R has an 8,000 mile interval. The Yamaha Majesty and Tmax I owned had a 4,000 mile service interval. Even the Honda PCX has a 5,000 oil change interval. So yeah, 2,000 miles seems a little low for an oil change.

    I don't know where you get the "high spec oils not commonly found here in North America"... I live in Texas and I've never heard such a thing in my life.
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    I'm not sure what living in Texas has to do with anything. SYM recommends run of the mill 10-30 for my Citycom which I'm sure will work just fine if changed at the specified interval.

    That's also what was recommended in my 1967 Honda 90 ( I still have the manual ) but I'm sure that's not what Honda specifies now. That Honda also had a six hundred mile oil change interval.

    Don't forget that companies like SYM sell the biggest number of their bikes in third world countries people where will use whatever they can get. The bike will be the main family vehicle and will be run into the ground. Making the bike last as long as possible becomes the absolute priority.

    In North America we have the luxury of buying more expensive oils. Here the motorcycle is a toy and is unlikely to be run far enough to actually wear out. Convenience is more important to most people than squeezing every last mile out of their purchase. People tend not to ride their bikes much here. If that 8000 mile oil change CBR lasts 40,000 miles here, that's likely more than ten years of use for the average CBR.

    One thing my resident engineer ( a retired Navy Chief ) taught me a long time ago. The single most important thing you can do to make your engine last a long time is to keep clean oil in it, even if you do nothing else. SYM engines are as modern and good as anybody's.

    So the question then becomes: " How long do you want your engine to last"?

    SYM has taken a very conservative approach in their recommmendations.
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    My GY6 based 125cc Kymco had 1250 mile intervals.

    Not surprising since the oil capacity is as big as your average beer can,
    and there's no filter.

    That oil got dirty very fast.
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    Because you said:
    And aren't you contradicting yourself a bit here?
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    Cortez touched on this, but isn't it possible that the SYM's shorter service interval is mainly just a function of the fact that they use a screen instead of a normal particulate filter like a BMW or Kymco?

    Nothing terribly wrong with screens- my '68 VW had one, but it does provide only limited filtering. The upside is that users are able to maintain their vehicle without having to source filters.

    Doesn't this render the discussion somewhat moot, since it's likely not so much oil breakdown that drives the shorter intervals but rather particles getting past the screen, which are better off getting removed via oil change?

    I certainly wouldn't dismiss getting a SYM just because of more frequent oil changes; in fact, I might consider it a benefit.
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