Yamaha XT1200Z SuperTénéré owners: Show Us Your Bikes!

Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by AndreiZ, Jun 21, 2010.

  1. Old Git Ray

    Old Git Ray Now retired...YeeHaa

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    Is there any other (legal) way of putting bears off ? ( i.e.Gas or flask bangs ) I am aware of the food problem and intend to use the rope/tree thing when wild camping.

    I know it sounds like a daft question but being a Brit it is not easy to get hold of a gun/rifle in the US/Canada (AFAIK).

    Its not that that I have a problem with them, I used to be a soldier, its just that the last time I had one illicitly in a foreign country (Brazil) I came close to spending a long stretch in jail. :whipFor a while, life was not very funny.:eek1
  2. Wreckchecker

    Wreckchecker Ungeneer to broked stuff.

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    There are NUMEROUS threads about bear preparations, bear encounters, thar-I -wuz, my-buddy says, & it'd be a shame to pollute this thread by degrading into another. Basically, the main two trains of thought are (1) gotta have a gun, and (2) pepper spray. Both have vocal adherents & detractors and my thought is that there is a place for each. Trying to answer your question directly and add a comment about the $2000 Bush Pilot gun:

    Yes, hardware and sporting goods stores in bear country carry pepper spray meant for bear defense. I've talked to Alaska Troopers who've used the stuff and I've trusted one of them as my guard on a project. When you are going into the edge of the brush in the dark of night to take a leak, you don't have the time or maneuvering room for a gun and for the first second or so there's the hesitation that comes with recognizing whether you are looking at a lost kid or a bear. The pepper spray works and is non-fatal if you are wrong in that decision, because the following photo is NOT how much time you're going to have: [​IMG]
    I plan in terms of walking up to the yellow while unzipping my fly, and waking a bear who is under the yellow. How fast can you ACCURATELY place 5 slugs FAST when you are that close and rattled?

    As for guns, the most common gun I've seen in the Alaska bush has been a short barrel pump shotgun. We did have spray but also the pumps on the packs in front of us:
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    On a more humorous note about the question: Do bears shit in the woods? The answer is absolutely! They shit in the woods, on the rocks, on a shoreline, and anywhere else they damn well please!
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  3. icebox

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    Bears and guns

    Park service just noted a study of hundreds of bear encounters in and out of parks, Bear spray is effective over 90% of the time

    long guns are effective 83% of the time

    and pistols less than 70%

    that saying the time I spent in Alaska and in camps around Yellowstone a 12 ga slug gun with the first round #2 and followed by 550 gr. slugs was the weapon of choice. Bear spray is fatal to neither party, you or the bear. One of the last grizzly/ bow hunter encounters in Northern Idaho the guy died, his buddy shot him with a large calibre hand gun. That probably feels pretty good for the rest of your life.
  4. Dallara

    Dallara Creaks When Walks...

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    I like the shotgun advice... Nothing I prefer more for close encounters than a good shotgun.

    Problem is that nobody makes nice, new, quick "breakdown" pump or auto shotguns any longer. That said, there is one great choice in shotguns that easily and quickly break down and re-assemble like that Alaskan Co-Pilot rifle...

    The Winchester Model 12.

    And they are readily available for reasonable prices on the used market. Grab one of those with a shorter barrel, a nice soft "breakdown" shotgun case, and some shells and you've got something that will pack just as nicely in most ADV bike side cases.

    Here's some info on the Model 12, as well as a couple of sites that have a number of them for sale:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgd9JDFoYJA

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1912

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_break_down_a_Winchester_Model_12_pump_shotgun_Serial_607799

    http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/admin/show_inventory.php?catID=14&subcatID=184

    http://www.bedlans.com/collector%27s_shotguns.htm

    One of the great things about a shotgun, IMHO, over pepper spray is that it's effective on other dangerous critters, like snakes... or multiple, potentially predatory humans.

    And regarding bear pepper spray that might get accidentally get used on people...

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081129230617AAtKEvQ

    You might not kill your buddy, but burning him bad enough he requires hospitalization, and perhaps blinding him for life is not a pleasant thought, either. Something to consider with the wide fogging, range, and Scoville heat units bear sprays are capable of.

    Just my less than two cents...

    Dallara



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  5. Old Git Ray

    Old Git Ray Now retired...YeeHaa

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    Doh. Shoulda searched first. Thanks fo the advice anyway.
  6. Animo

    Animo Beastly n00b

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    Funny how a great thread can mutate to a bear thread.

    SHOW US YOUR BEAR ON YOUR BIKE THREAD NOW!!!

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  7. pluric

    pluric Gimpy Adventurer

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    At least it's still a Yamaha "Big Bear".

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  8. roarin calhoun

    roarin calhoun Been here awhile

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    Well,yeah,you guys are right,this isn't a bear thread(it is a great thread tho--thanks for all the great picts). But my Tenere does & will take me into bear country often( I live in it) & bear encounters,esp grizzlies, are frequent( I had one). So Teneres & bears aren't entirely unrelated. One question tho, can you take pepper spray into Canada???
  9. pluric

    pluric Gimpy Adventurer

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    They're better with garlic.

    When I went up North I only took one of these. They must work because
    I made it back.:dunno

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  10. icebox

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    Depends on the border crossing, have been allowed and have not, depends on the whim of the officer. Just had to suck up and buy a new can. Funny thing as bad as US TSA is, no problem going the other way. Go figure
  11. roarin calhoun

    roarin calhoun Been here awhile

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    Pluric, they say when dead grizzlies get cleaned & gutted those bells are often found in the bears' stomachs....along with M&Ms.
  12. pluric

    pluric Gimpy Adventurer

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    :eek1 I'm screwed.:lol3
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  14. pluric

    pluric Gimpy Adventurer

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    I didn't mean "screwed" literally.:wink::D

    All I could find on my office computer to even remotely try to put this thread back on track.

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  15. Dallara

    Dallara Creaks When Walks...

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    And in the spirit of getting the thread back on topic...


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    It may not be a bear, but there is one of my favorite beasts is in the pic with my "Texas Tenere"... It has four-wheels, though! :lol3


    Dallara




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  16. roarin calhoun

    roarin calhoun Been here awhile

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    Pluric, Dallara, if you hear any bells ringin it's probably bears headin for the M&Ms locked in those aide cases. Ok, I'll shut up. You guys are a lotta fun tho. keep up the good workz.
  17. Dallara

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    So when those Harley riders have those little bells hanging down off their Hogs that's "Bear Bait", right? :dg

    Dallara













    p.s. - now don't you any of your H-D owners get offended... I have an XR-1200.

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  18. pluric

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    You be the first to call him 'Tinkle Bell'. I think it will work out fine. I'll even hold your beer.:deal:augie

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  19. Dallara

    Dallara Creaks When Walks...

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    Geez, Pluric!!!

    How the hell did you get a picture of ME? :dood

    Now you know why I want that stiffer spring for my Tenere...

    Dallara



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  20. roarin calhoun

    roarin calhoun Been here awhile

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    Gosh pluric, you got every grizzly in Cyber's Space drueling over the tonne of meat.And the bear'd only have to jog to catch up with that Hog.How many M&Ms you spose it took to swell that guy up???