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Discussion in 'Land of the Rising Sun: ADV Bikes from Japan' started by VTbeemer, Apr 7, 2017.
Yeah, but that FZ07 P Twin is smooth and fast!
Oh, I am sure it is. I looked at getting the MT07 or XSR 700 in the UK (after doing a lot of research for a fun road bike that I could also ride long distance) before I left to come back to the US , and just about everyone that had either one of those bikes fell in love with it in large part due to the engine.
I regret cancelling the test rides for those!
Never owned a Yamaha, though I had a friend in South Africa who owned a farm and had a great collection of off road bikes, and his favorite was a 250 Yamaha MX bike which he did insane stunts on and had awesome power!
Yamaha makes great bikes.......very well engineered and very dependable as a whole. Like a lot of Japanese brands the suspension is usually the weak point but upgradable.
It's really often the buyers fault Imo.
The Japanese have access top shelf suspension if they want.
Buyers expect Japanese machines to be cheaper than the Euros and the Japanese need to down spec somewhere to save $.
Suspension is often what is cut.
Heck in the auto industry this expectation was so prevelant that the mfgs needed to create a complete separate company to create up spec cars.
I had hoped over the years the Japanese Moto mfg would at least create up-spec R versions of bikes but that never panned...thus the end user must built what he wants.
Very good point. On the other hand, it offers the possibility for the buyer to judiciously spend the $'s on the suspension specs that is most appropriate for his/her use. Which may lead to, in the end, a better suspension than what comes stock in a BMW F800GS or Tiger 800.
In the end you still have a traditional fork on many of these Japanese machines with better valving vs starting with a base USD fork. In stock form these will probably match that improved traditional fork & with better valving will vastly outpace it.
You can't usually just easily bolt on USD forks in place of those traditional forks if that's your desire.
Outback bikes are more equal because shocks are a bolt on option regardless of the front spec.
The RR CB500X is a prime example of all of this. You have an improved traditional front fork with a top shelf rear Tractive shock.
A USD front fork would take it to the next level but Honda did not spec it from the factory and RR said it was too $ in the process when they were developing the concept.
The Tiger 800 does have a high spec WP suspension built offered.
Very good point again. However, all "spy photos" of the Yamaha I've seen show it with a USD fork.
Indeed on the 700 Tenere, Yamaha is coming out swinging hard here. Maybe not grandslam hard, but not bunting like other mfg attempts. I was just commenting on your observation.
Thank you for clarifying - my comment was only targeting the Yamaha 700 Tenere.
Quite possibly the skinniest USD fork I have seen on a bike with supposed dirt road at least abilities.
I'm guessing 43-46 mm KYB forks will be used. Hard to tell from this pic and I'm betting this is final spec grade. We know Yamaha will not be using it's high spec WR/YZ forks on this bike.
PS yes the guy is front braking here and thus compression.
Would it be skinnier than BMWF800GS 43mm Marzocchi?
The Yamaha 660 Tenere is , or was , a great bike that Yamaha could have sold in the USA , but chose not to... Kawasaki sold lots of KLR 650'S all those years , here in the states , not in Europe ...
Seems like the Tenere 700 platform will be a nice upgrade from a KLR 650...
I always put a touring wind screen on my bikes for mile munching ...
Can you imagine a 70 horsepower KLR that weighed around 400 pounds , with a nice aerodynamic wind screen ... for those long highway rides ?
Bring it on baby
"Can you imagine a 70 horsepower KLR that weighed around 400 pounds , with a nice aerodynamic wind screen ... for those long highway rides ?"
I can't. Cause it's a Unicorn.
425lbs-455lbs is the best we can do from Japan with that kind of displacement to make that much horse power.
But I like the KLR reference.
Hopefully, the T7 project bike will also be sold next to the Tiger 800 XC bike.
The T7 was just over 400lbs, so maybe that is what you referenced.
Ridden: Yamaha T7 prototype
Written by motorcycle-magazine.com , Date 3:27 PM
What ever the final weight, some will always come off. WR250R guys have been working on that for 10 years.
Things that can lighten
-remove pillion pegs
-rear fender swap
-various reflectors removed
Of course most will add weight with protection and luggage.
"Motorrad measured the T7 at 185kg, complete with fuel. That’s impressive for a big, twin-cylinder enduro."
This Yamaha 700 Tracer has a claimed weight of 432 lbs.
Seems like a Tenere 700 would be somewhere around that number , maybe ?
It would be nice if it comes in less than my 650 Versys . That is 454 lbs.
Let's have some fun...
What will be heavier in Tenere comparison to the Tracer:
1. Wheels (spoke wheels are heavier than alloy wheels)
2. Tires and tubes (21 inch instead of 17 in + plus off-road tires are likely heavier)
3. Suspension (longer travel suspension)
4. Engine support (from the pictures of the T7 and spy photos of the consumer version, there are bars that come down on the front and side of the engine which connect to a bash plate)
5. Beefier sub-frame?
What owners will likely add to the Tenere
1. Bash plate
2. Other engine protection bars
4. Rear and side racks
What owners can remove or reduce weight on the Tracer/Tenere:
1. Remove passenger pegs
2. Lighter slip on exhaust
What did I miss?
So what is the final tally?
Pictures shows that the prototype of the new Tenere has "linkage mounted rear suspension" (heavier). The MT-07 and Tracer 700 don`t have linkage.
A few pounds more exhaust.
(hopefully) larger tank (4.5g/17L on tracer)
Should have kept my S10.