Yooperbikemike's 2012 MotoGP Thread

Discussion in 'Racing' started by spezjag, Nov 7, 2011.

  1. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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  2. DC2wheels

    DC2wheels Castle Anthrax troll

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    The Prez really said nothing, it was no-facts, double-speak.

    If he is the primary person responsible for the turnip truck, DucAudi needs to show this guy the door. IMHO
  3. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    These are the things I think we learned about the Factory/Junior Team Strategy from this interview:

    1. Ducati will field two teams with two factory spec bikes each.
    2. All four motorcycles will be supported by factory engineering.
    3. All riders will be called upon to develop the motorcycle and share data.
    4. All riders will have access to the latest development parts.
    5. The factory hired the riders directly.
    6. The strategy is intended to speed development.
    7. Financial constraints have been diminished to support the gamble.

    These are all things we speculated about, but the Filippo interview clarified the plan and the thinking that went into it. I think that is a lot and certainly not a waste of my time reading it.

    Four competitive riders piloting four factory spec machines and sharing data. To my way of thinking, this is a far more aggressive step than we've witnessed before. Even the 3 Repsol plus Simoncelli effort wasn't concieved with such a singular objective. That was more about giving a rising star a decent shot and handling a contract dispute with Dovi.

    Anyways, I am highly optimistic and as Nicky stated once, I'm "All In". :D

    I'm going to dust off my old Desmo and give her some new love. Go Nick! Go Dovi! Go Ben! and I can hardly wait to see how Crazy Joe emerges!



  4. Shawnee Bill

    Shawnee Bill Long timer

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    +1 (except that I don't have an old Desmo to dust off :cry)
    Sounds like you are one of the few that actually read that interview. :deal


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  5. dontlr

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    This coming from a guy who makes #$&*% statements like Nicky is just riding around collecting a check and not trying. :huh
  6. Closed Casket

    Closed Casket Jaded and Faded

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    With or without a ramp....lol
  7. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    I've never said anything derogatory about Nick Hayden. I've never heard anybody question his effort either. You must have me mixed up with somebody else. :deal
  8. mdubya

    mdubya Right Brigade

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    One addition to Pantah's thoughts: I felt Prez was kind of saying that since the Pramac riders will be official Ducati Corse riders, it may not be embarassing for them to beat the factory team, since they are all one big team.

    Kind of reading between the lines there. :ear
  9. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    No doubt about your 'between the lines' reading in my view. But we all know that if they actually have the success they hope for, it might not be so easy down the stretch no matter what they say now. This is an interesting development with the rules people apparently assisting in the background. But is wise and we all hope Prez can move the dial for us fans. I think he will!

    But first lets see budding success with their gamble...:D

    The naysayers are everywhere...
  10. HoneyBunz

    HoneyBunz Long timer

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    Had Honda kept Dovizioso they just might have won the championship.
    :lol3
  11. bingbong

    bingbong Been here awhile

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    How so? He was always behind Jorge and pedrobot.
  12. dontlr

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    Me, wrong??? quite a few times a day :lol3

    Maybe I read too much into something one day a while back, apologies :freaky
  13. HoneyBunz

    HoneyBunz Long timer

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    You don't think the factory Honda is faster than the second string Yamaha?
    Moaner and Pedrosa are faster but Dovi is more consistent.
    He would kick their ass with total points.
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    Pedro's been very consistent this year.. only Jorge is even more. Both taken down by some baboon once, so 1 DNF each, and those have been no fault of their own.
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    last season?
  16. azkiwi

    azkiwi message in a bottle

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    Bold goals, no doubt. However, supplying four riders with advanced parts on an accelerated basis is more than a"loosening of financial constraints", it would require copious irrigation of all parts of their ecosystem with liquid Euros.

    It will be exponentially more difficult to analyse the inputs of four riders (each of whom believes he is God's gift to motorcycles and engineers) and choose a direction. How a culture which provides a frame update every 6 months (with essentially one development rider) is going to scale up to providing multiple updates to four riders in less than half that time will be something to watch!

    Until then, its feel-good PR. :deal
  17. brents347

    brents347 Trusting my Cape...

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    I am not a motorcycle manufacturer or a prototype builder, but to me once you have designed and built one part, building three more to match shouldn't be that much more work.

    And as far as having four riders providing (possibly different) input, how about you take all four riders input and make the changes that any two or three of them agree on? Makes sense to me. I don't think they plan on providing four different parts upgrades each time, one for each rider.
  18. bimmerx2

    bimmerx2 Been here awhile

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    I don't think it's going to be that big of a deal to have 4 riders providing input, assuming they know what they are talking about.

    If there is an actual shortcoming in the design of the bike it's very likely that all of the riders are going to notice it so the feedback for those obvious things will be clear. They could even have 4 different solutions being tested at once which should get them pointed in the right direction sooner.

    Where it could get messy is when different riders are saying totally different things which contradict each other. The engineers will get to earn their oats then because they will have to figure out what is causing the difference - was it setup, riding style, etc.? Once they figure that out they have to decide what to do with all of those variables to improve the performance for all the riders.
  19. dontlr

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    They already have that issue, Rossi doesnt like the latest parts and Nicky did, 4 people giving them direction will add some more confusion. Each guy will like the bikes to behave differently but if they can get the front end to work for all 4 this could be some great racing.
  20. HoneyBunz

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    Dovi is a stronger rider this season then he was last season.
    While he is slower then Pedrosa and Stoner, for whatever reason he avoids having as many problems as they do. He out scored Pedrosa last season.
    He may out score Stoner this season on an inferior bike.
    Explanations aside, at the end of the day it's all about total points scored.
    I like Dovi's attitude better. Even if it's just dumb luck, who cares?
    Dovi has it and the others don't.
    The points that Dovi scores cost less as well. He's a better bargain.