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Discussion in 'Racing' started by spezjag, Nov 7, 2011.
Blue flag or not...it is still up the rider making the pass to make it safely. Like J.S. said...considering the one line/wet track, Jlo should have been more patient.
I have not seen one pic or video of Ellison seeing a blue flag. Even if he had in turn in the wet you aren't going to change your line, unless you go real slow through it. It was all J-Lo's fault and yes until you go back to the 500 days and Schwantz he is the king of high-sides, glad to see other than a sore leg he is fine.
I'm pretty sure Jorge knows it was his own fault. He would have been waving fists and cursing at Ellison as soon as he got up.
He looked like he felt guilty to me.
If you have s subscription to MotoGP.com you can hear him blame Ellison after the race http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/season/2012/VAL#Valencia+2012+MotoGP+RACE+Interview+Jorge+Lorenzo+1
He said Ellison looked back at him, moved off the line and then back on the line. I didn't see it, but those are his words.
Ellison shouldn't even be out there, at Indy he cut the track several times just to pick up a spot or two. He wouldn't get off the racing line there either, even though they were waving blue flags.
I just watched again and they cut to an onboard with Dani just as he initially gets behind Ellison.
Impatience was my call yesterday and still the same. He thinks he owns the track so fawk him.
I want to see Ducati get that bike sorted and Dovi stuff it up under Jlo and then kick his foot out at him like it was done to him
You can't race me I'm special
I think I read after he had cooled down that he admitted to a mistake.
Shit, I do, but I hadn't seen it.
Go ahead and kick me in the ass!
Not the first time!
And, it wasn't just ONE turn JE blocked JL. It was at least two. And, he did glance back.
I here what you all are saying about the responsibility being on JLo. However, how is it that every other rider (including Colin Edwards and Valentino Rossi) can get out of the way of a leading rider, but Ellison can't?
Show some proof of that, we all watched the same video feed and there werent any glances back so I'd liema little proof,
A beverage of your choice sent with picture proof of a glance back
While we're pointing fingers, what was with that pissy little move from Dovi passing Pedro on the brakes after he'd been lapped?
I respect Dovi's tenacity and braking ability, but he falls into the category of riders who get caught by a faster rider and make it as difficult as possible to pass, there are times to defend your position, but there are times when some sportsmanship should prevail.
To paraphrase Stoner, there are riders out there who's ego outweighs their talent.
The rear suspension looks broken.
Just how easy would it have been for Ellison to get off that narrow dry line in those corners?
Maybe Jorge has the answer to that
Elison/Lorenzo at Valencia.
Jorge fucked up all on his own.
First time in 18 rounds of racing.
Two DNF's and 16 podium finishes, a deserving champion for 2012.
Must be under enormous pressure for next year, knowing that Pedrosa basically handed him his arse in the second half of the season and having Rossi coming back. Add Marquez for the occasional spoiler and 2013 looks promising on paper.
How long till the first round again?
Even IF there were blue flags, which I sure didn't see any, this is J-Lo's own fault. How the hell is Ellison supposed to get off the line in what is essentially a chicane, in the wet? No, J-Lo needed to cool it and get him in the next turn. But he does indeed have that "you can't race me or be in my way, because I'm special" attitude.
If you're in a fight for positions, you're right to defend it no matter what. The day racers start moving over is the day racing is dead. It is unsportsmanlike to give up.
Dovi was in seventh place and had just been, albeit briefly, lapped, he wasn't fighting for a position.
When I used to race cross country MTB's there was an etiquette, that when on singletrack a faster rider would call 'track' when approaching a slower rider, the slower rider is expected,
though not obliged to yield the track when the slower rider feels it is safe to allow the faster rider to pass.
Obviously this only applies to a situation when there is a difference in speed between the two riders.
In my opinion, when I see faster riders close a 6 second gap on someone who is circulating off the pace, and the slower rider then tries to block the faster rider it's a pissant move and such riders deserve derision.
For the record JLo messed up in that situation and can only blame himself, but Ellison has been a pissant in the past.
Ok, if you mean that particular situation - it sounded like a more general point you were making. To me it's simple: if you're being lapped, get out of the way as soon as you can (e.g. Ellison would have been unable to do it safely in that instance, until he was out of the bend). Whereas if you're battling for positon, there's no one you should move for. They can be going at light speed difference for all I care, part of racing is trying to overtake, and battle for positions.
Fairing the foul with art's false borrowed face
. . . To borrow from Shakespeare
it was an "apology' that was nothing more than showmanship on Rossi's part (a genuine apology would have been a quiet word out of the spotlight). He was playing the audience and Stoner was quick witted enough to reply in kind.