Yooperbikemike's 2013 MotoGP Thread

Discussion in 'Racing' started by yooperbikemike, Nov 11, 2012.

  1. mike54

    mike54 You don't get me

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    It would be a shame to see Ben go out this way.
  2. DougZ73

    DougZ73 Fading off.........

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    Safe ride on a crap ride may be worse than no ride. And who really thinks the current Duc( non jap style ) bike is ever going to be competitive?

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  3. bikerfish

    bikerfish flyfishandride

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    spies has lost his mojo, with the bad luck and injuries within the past couple years, I think it has really wore on him, and his mom is probably up his ass every day. I see him getting out and riding his bicycle. He just doesn't seem like the same person that won the WSBK championship, or even that same person that was on the tech 3 bike and running near the front.
    maybe he'll come back to ama and Hayes will have someone to race with
  4. joef

    joef Been here awhile

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    Ben rushed into Motogp to soon, based on his results in WorldSBK I think he thought it was going to be easier. It just never clicked for him, a few flashes of something but mostly dissappointing results, bad luck and excuses.
  5. Pecha72

    Pecha72 Long timer

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    Well, Ben Spies really did have more than his fair share of bad luck last year.

    Ducati has been a career-killer for everybody except Stoner, who could ride the damn thing, and Rossi, who seems to have an army of fans and huge market value no matter how he performs. Spies needs to figure out, what everyone except Stoner haven´t been able to do so far, or he´s on his way out, cos he´s not Rossi, I´m afraid.
  6. brents347

    brents347 Trusting my Cape...

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    I would venture to say that at this early, early, stage it is not looking like a career killer for Dovi either. At this stage I don't think you have to win on the Ducati to be successful. Just outpace your teammates, qualify well and continue to get TV time, and help develop the bike. I think Ducati will be happy with this.

    And the other factories have to be noticing that Dovi seems to be over-acheiving on the Duc just like we are noticing it.
  7. Clem Kevin

    Clem Kevin Nude With Boots

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    Well, I think for once Dovi's 'thinker'(an obvious opposite to someone like MM) nature that seemed to be his ball and chain has allowed him to understand that bike faster than anybody else. I'm impressed by him for once.
  8. mdubya

    mdubya Right Brigade

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    How is Dovi getting results with a pair of 7th place finishes?

    He is finishing right where Hayden and Rossi have finished on the bike for the last two years.
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    DougZ73 Fading off.........

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    I am hoping this season's Duc is actually a better bike and Hayden is just still a little hampered by his recent surgery.
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    HarveyMushman Tire Squarerer

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  11. snowhawk jockey

    snowhawk jockey Slack Jaw Gaper

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    The thing is, that Dovi isn't languishing back with the rest of Duc rookies, trying to out run CRT's.

    True that he isn't doing any better than Rossi/Hayden have done, but it furthers the point that the bike is a 7th place bike and Dovi is putting it, as high up the order, as it will go. Tires and all that must be the problem, right?:deal
    I don't see him as any more special than he ever has been, just interesting that he hasn't suffered the Duc, like a few others, and gotten slapped back down the order for several races, "learning".

    I always rated Dovi and Hayden as relative equals, with an edge to Dovi's experience in lower class prototypes. The few good times that Hayden really battled at the front(over fourth/fifth place and pre-Brandl) were with Dovi. Dovi usually kept the fourth in the end...
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    Although we are only two races in this season, so hard to make a full comparison, but I would say Dovi consistently did better than either Hayden or Rossi last season, cumulatively.
    Dovi ended 2012 with 218 points, Rossi with 163, and Hayden 122.
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    DogBoy Not a Gnarly Adventurer

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    snowhawk jockey Slack Jaw Gaper

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    I totally agree that the Techtrios Yammi is a far more consistent and predictable package, able to achieve the kind of results that accumulated Dovi's points from last year. My question is whether the two will have the same hundred point gap, this year, as last. All things being healthy, and finishes follow starts, I suggest that the point gap, at the end of this year, will be more like the gap between Hayden and Rossi on Duc's together. Present, but not a gulf.

    Granted it aint the WWF (or WWE for the newer kids), but will they get a good tag team going for racing tactics and defend a few 4th-5th place finishes together? Taking turns as the mule, knowing the mules tires are going off before half race distance, "towing" the second bike around, so the second bike as some tire left to hold the line for their finish... The Germans gotta be thinking of anything they can do to get some points in the Turnip Truck's kitty.:huh

    Okay, I'll put my crack pipe down now and go sit in the corner.
  16. mike54

    mike54 You don't get me

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    I think we all hope that.

    They are currently riding a barely warmed over 2012 bike. I wonder if they will let Piro run the lab bike next weekend while filling in for Spies? I hope they do.
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    I seem to recall Hayden qualifying fairly well, even leading a few races, then fading.
    Nothing we've seen from Ducati indicate that will change anytime soon.

    As for Spies, I'm not ready to write him off yet. I hope his shoulder heals, and he can get to fighting with his Ducati buddies. Spies is hard, but as Kevin noted he likes to have his head around the problem before he solves the problem.
    Once he does that he will be fine on the Ducati. Meaning 6th or 7th. Cal owns 5th, just as Colin used to own fifth.

    And two races in is early to be making predictions outside of Marquez being somebody to watch. I don't think the story can be written yet that Rossi is over, Dani is done and Lorenzo has left the building.
    I'm looking forward to that next race.
    One at a time.
    Like fresh chocolate chip cookies, warm from the oven. One at a time; savor and enjoy.

    I still think Lorenzo will win the title. Marquez may indeed be a close second., though I'd like to see Pedrosa rebound and win it, for no other reason that he finally does. Rossi a closing third.

    A guy can dream.

    Right now, only two races in Marquez looks the spoiler to the party. He and that Honda do look to be able to give Lorenzo all he and Yamaha can handle.

    Two things:
    Next race determines who is in front if those two are together to the end. The guy who finishes in front is the leader of the series. Second, Fast Freddie also scored his youngest rider to win on a Honda.
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  19. Lurky-Loo

    Lurky-Loo Been here awhile

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    Two track reports in and I have to say I'm really going to miss Shuhei Nakamoto's, cause Suppo is a d-u-d.
  20. DougZ73

    DougZ73 Fading off.........

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    If we were to dream, and imagine a spec series with the top bike out there, debatable whether its the Yami or Honda this season, I feel anyone of the top ten finishers( typical), could easily podium if not win the race.

    But alas, its not a spec series....so the best bike, with best tires, best tire management, best bike set up and best crew( ie not Yamaha-Ben's team last year), is fairly likely to win the race. Smartest rider too...left that out, but its a given to be at the GP level.