Yooperbikemike's 2013 MotoGP Thread

Discussion in 'Racing' started by yooperbikemike, Nov 11, 2012.

  1. BOOTLACE

    BOOTLACE Bikie Scum.

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    Yeeeesss. But talk of 'quotas' and such does nothing for, shall we call it, natural selection? It's a control freak situation. There was a time of English domination, Italian, American, Australian,...let it roll! Every decision seems to be a knee jerk reaction to the normal evolutionary progression of any sport. You have good times, you have not so good times. I say leave the SPORT alone, and put your energies into trying to deal with the outside influences. The sport is SUPERB, maybe the marketing isn't ?

    Dunno. But it frustrates me when I see ONE individual in charge of not just MOTOGP, but in the end, a lot of domestic serie/riders around the planet.


    Sorry, I'll go to sleep now.........
  2. Lurky-Loo

    Lurky-Loo Been here awhile

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    I agree; I just don't agree with the opinion that Ezpeleta is out his depth.
  3. DogBoy

    DogBoy Not a Gnarly Adventurer

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    Criticism that one is out of one's depth comes with any job as the head, or even figure head, of a large complex organizations. There is no textbook for running a motorsports world championship. Its a thankless job. Much like to trying to be the voice of reason on the internet.
  4. Dunewar

    Dunewar Been here awhile

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    Is anyone following the practice sessions on le mans? Hayden up there with crutchlow in fp3!?
    The BBC guys were on about a new bike for ducati at Le Mans, let's hope it's for real this time.


    Four wheels good, two wheels better
  5. Drif10

    Drif10 Accredited Jackass

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    Nope, more like CC is having problems: brakes overheating and tire chatter.
  6. auguzt

    auguzt get on with it

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    I still don't get the "limited starting grid" rule...:huh
    Why if Suzuki would like to get back in MotoGP they have to push out some other team so the number of bikes on the grid will remain the same? Why not let it grow?
    Logistics? Don't think so... :confused:dunno
  7. Kropotkin

    Kropotkin Big Girl's Blouse

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    Money and quality. Dorna subsidizes all of the teams, so there's only so many they can support. And there's only so many good teams capable of being competitive in MotoGP. Look at Moto2, where there's a few good teams and a whole bunch of much less proficient teams.
  8. auguzt

    auguzt get on with it

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    Now it makes sense. Thanks Kropotkin.:thumb
  9. Kropotkin

    Kropotkin Big Girl's Blouse

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    If you go back and look at the results (all on the MotoGP.com website) from the late 70s and early 80s, when grids were full, you see only a few riders finishing on the same lap, and several being lapped multiple times. There are only so many riders/teams/mechanics talented enough to work at the very pinnacle.
  10. swimmer

    swimmer armchair asshole

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    So what the hell happens if Nakagami wins the moto2 championship this year? He has shown good pace pretty consistently this year. The japanese have never been shy (rightly so) about trying to put a Japanese rider on a somewhat competitive MotoGP bike. Seems like no bikes are available next year but one would think Honda or Yamaha would have ants in their pants to put Nakagami on a bike should we win the championship.
  11. chasbo

    chasbo Long timer

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    I am rooting for him this year. He will finish high in the standings if he keeps going well. I wouldn't mind seeing him ride MotoGP on a good bike.
  12. mdubya

    mdubya Right Brigade

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    A couple hundred million Euros eases the pain. :D
  13. HoneyBunz

    HoneyBunz Long timer

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    Whether CRT is a good idea or not depends on your perspective. It may indeed be a success in corporate terms of bikes/dollar, but from my perspective, it adds nothing but back markers for the front runners to negotiate on their final laps. The fastest CRT bike is the only CRT that ever gets noticed in a positive way and even then it's a footnote.
    From the riders perspective it is a dead end career move. If you want to move up to a factory bike, it's better to approach from Moto2. The Moto2 guys that move up to CRT will never gain a factory/satellite seat.

    CRT is more of a stepping down place than a stepping up place.
  14. Pecha72

    Pecha72 Long timer

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    First four races of your rookie season, Lorenzo 2008: 74 points

    First four races of your rookie season, Marquez 2013: 77 points

    But what I find interesting to observe here, is that JLo had a dream debut – that lasted for the first 5 races ONLY. And after that, it became much more complicated for him. He scored 94 points out of his first 5 races (18.8 on average - an amazing figure, although MM has an even higher average right now!), but then JLo´s total score, from the remaining 13 races to come after that, was only 96 points (7.4 points per race). In fact, after those first 5 races, he only got 2 more podiums all year. He finished with 190 total points, but almost exactly half of those points he had picked up from his first five races!

    Is this comparable to Marquez? Other than both were rookies stepping up to MotoGP and making impact straight away, it is probably not, as MM rides a different bike, and almost everything else including the engines, electronics and tyres has changed in five years, too (a big factor: JLo still had Michelins that year). And MM appears very mature in almost everything that he´s done in MotoGP so far, just took podium in the wet with almost no prior wet riding experience on that bike. Almost unbelievable. But I guess JLo´s painful later part of 2008 goes to show, that it is POSSIBLE for a talented rookie to have a truly stellar entry into the series, and still not dominate straight away. It´s still a long season ahead for everybody.
  15. Lurky-Loo

    Lurky-Loo Been here awhile

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    First four races of your rookie season, Biaggi 1998: 77 points

    First four races of your rookie season, Marquez 2013: 77 points

    Also,

    First wet MotoGP race, Pedrosa, Le Mans 2006: 3rd place

    First wet MotoGP race, Marquez, Le Mans 2013: 3rd place


    Youngest GP winner is the one that really stands out for me at the moment; other stats, not so much.

    Interesting tidbit:
  16. cogitate

    cogitate What Marcellus Wallace Looks Like

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    The REAL reason that MM cannot be compared to JL is that he does not partake in silly antics after he wins :deal

    It was funny when Rossi did it, stupid when Lorenzo did it.

    MM is a class act. We are watching history.
  17. Lurky-Loo

    Lurky-Loo Been here awhile

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    Is this motorcycle racing or a Middle East peace accord?
  18. mike54

    mike54 You don't get me

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    In the whole scheme of things motogp is no more important than fashion. :D
  19. Closed Casket

    Closed Casket Jaded and Faded

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    So is Ben going to be back on his satellite turnip truck at Moogello?
  20. ErikY.

    ErikY. Here, Now.

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    Fixed. Too bad; like many, I thought he was a contender for a few years.