Yooperbikemike's 2013 MotoGP Thread

Discussion in 'Racing' started by yooperbikemike, Nov 11, 2012.

  1. DC2wheels

    DC2wheels Castle Anthrax troll

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    That seems like a fair call, looking at this past season and recent tests.

    If it were allowed to happen, I think that the front of the WSBK field could show their rear tires to much of the CRT field.


    I have wondered why the CRT bikes weren't given a displacement advantage (maybe 1200cc) at least for the first few years. Probably lots of factory vs. sanctioning body politics there, huh?
  2. mike54

    mike54 You don't get me

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    1200cc? Isn't that the same as a sportster engine? :D
  3. DC2wheels

    DC2wheels Castle Anthrax troll

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    Just picked an arbitrary engine size. You know- the size advantage that the Ducati twin is given in WSBK. Evens up the field?
  4. mike54

    mike54 You don't get me

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    I know. I just had a thought of sportster based GP bikes to gain more interest from American fans.


    Hopefully nobody takes that seriously.
  5. DC2wheels

    DC2wheels Castle Anthrax troll

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    OK then.....a 1400cc V-rod engine :huh :lol3
  6. K0m4

    K0m4 Been here awhile

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    I don't think they're always in every turn on the very edge of traction, especially not during a race. That would eat their tires pretty quickly. They might not be too far from it, but I'd think they're well within the margin (well within the margin as in the tiny margins that these people play with) to add something like for example a little counter-steer or a bit more throttle when exiting. Other times, when they're going for it, they are real close though, or over like Pedrosa in your example.

    Fixed.
  7. Pecha72

    Pecha72 Long timer

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    I don't think us mere mortals really have a friggin clue, what those guys actually do to get around the track that rapidly.

    Countersteering my ass :lol3
  8. flars

    flars Been here awhile

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    "Countersteering my ass "
    Exactly. Back when I used to go faster than doG, I would have my bike leaned over at the very edge of traction, and if I needed to make miniscule changes to my line, I would use my ass. Clinching and unclinching, as appropriate.
    I remember one time I was so close to crashing, that my ass was up between my ears, my leathers were wet in one particular spot, and the only thing that saved me were a few well placed curse words.
    Those RD350s were the real thing - real beasts. Not like the trash they ride nowadays.
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    Lurky-Loo Been here awhile

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  10. DC2wheels

    DC2wheels Castle Anthrax troll

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    +1

    They don't call these guys aliens (or near-aliens for the non-factory riders) for no reason. Watch some of the MotoGP videos and you can (barely) see their micro-second mid-corner corrections/ catches as they hang it out on the edge.

    But that is their- highly paid- job, right?
  11. mdubya

    mdubya Right Brigade

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    I can all but guaranty that pro level racers are over the limits of traction into and out of every corner, chopping the throttle to slide the front into the corner and lighting up the rear to a degree on the exit of every corner.

    By pro level, I mean riders that get paid to race. Not club racers at the local track. Though, plenty of them are very fast and slide both ends consistently.

    Any one here ever purposely close the throttle to induce a front end slide to scrub off speed?
  12. Pantah

    Pantah PJ Fan from Boston

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    I agree with most of what you say, but I don't think 'pro' level racers slide the front wheel on purpose for some technical execution of an apex. On the other hand, it's no big deal to spin the back a little to finish a turn. Totally routine in the dirt.
  13. DogBoy

    DogBoy Not a Gnarly Adventurer

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    Only on the small, local TT track to get both ends sliding.
  14. mdubya

    mdubya Right Brigade

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  15. mdubya

    mdubya Right Brigade

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    I remember my buddy and I asking Geoff May how the pro guys get through VIR's very tight turn 4 while holding such a tight line. His explanation very much involved scrubbing off speed by sliding the front end into the corner and lighting up the rear to square it off. These skills go hand in hand because lighting up the rear is what saves the front end slide from becoming a crash. In the meantime, you've gotten into the corner hotter and deeper and scrubbed off more speed in the process than you could with a conventional wheels in line, high, wide, and handsome type of line.

    Aaron Stevenson of Corner Speed/Corner Spin was there too, and he suggested we might not want to try that technique. My friend was a regional heavy weight twins champion at the time.

    You can learn the technique in the dirt, on mini supermoto, even on a bigger supermoto if everything is working right and you have the balls to do it.

    Translating it to a full sized sport bike is something else altogether.

    You may be right, once these guys get to the top level, they may have tidied things up, but I believe when they are talking about getting the bike 'working', they are talking about the ability to push both ends of the bike smoothly.

    One thing for sure, every one of them has a dirt riding back ground of some type and they practice their skills by riding dirt bikes.
  16. HarveyMushman

    HarveyMushman Tire Squarerer

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    They do. I think it was Mat Oxley who wrote an article about the various "graduate level" techniques of the truly gifted (and motivated), intentional front-tire tucks among them. On a related note, next time you are the Indy Mile, pay close attention to the entry of T1--flat trackers do it too. :D

    This is why all this nonsense about countersteering or not is wide of the mark; these guys operate at a level far, far beyond the conventional.
  17. Pecha72

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    Bradley Smith (superbikeplanet.com)
    "To be honest, a lot of it came down to ... there was cheating going on inside Moto2 this year," Smith told British media. "We were not one of those teams, and we suffered for it. There was nothing else we could do as a team to make our bike faster. It was just slow."

    I must've missed he was in Moto2 this year? The accusations fly, with no proof of nothing once again. Getting a bit old really. Marquez slaughtered the field from the back TWICE in a short period of time, must've created some mental problems to certain riders who aren't performing particularly well.
  18. Capz

    Capz Adventurer

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    Wasn't Smith with the Tech3 Moto2 team this year, that's why he's gone straight to the Tech3 team in MotoGP due to his contract?
  19. bxr140

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    ...but they still countersteer (the geometry change, not necessarily the input at the bars) into and out of every turn.

    :deal
    :1drink
  20. advNZer?

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    but the counter steer on the way out is not the conventional countersteer.I see it as starting out as :steering into the slide then once they have the bike pointing where they want its a tweak the other way to stand the bike up