Yooperbikemike's 2018 MotoGP Thread

Discussion in 'Racing' started by yooperbikemike, Nov 13, 2017.

  1. ORIF

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  2. ORIF

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    While mulling over Jorge's problems riding the Ducati over the past several days, I happened to look at this picture....And then, like a lightning bolt, The Answer became crystal clear.......all of those memories came flooding back..........the frustrated rider trying to explain his problems, the exasperated visage of the Ducati team boss thinking his rider truly must have mental problems, the crew member surreptitiously holding his nose....

    It is not more octopi, or telemetries that the Spartan needs.. but could Lactose once again be the source of Ducati's woes?
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  3. GeneralGarden

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    one thing I've been wondering about is the willingness of the teams to stretch or circumvent rules.

    There's been a heated debate about whether the Volkswagen engineers working on the Diesel cheat device did it because they were pressured from management to deliver a product or because they told management they couldn't do it and were then pressured to develop the cheat device. The argument is that an engineer will not risk his personal liability to help a manager reach his bonus target. And usually, big companies have compliance rules that, depending on how (dys-)functional a company is, prevent unlawful behavior.

    Moving to MotoGP, Yamaha is a traditional japanese team with japanese engineers, employed by a large japanese enterprise. They may be less willing to bend the rules without backing from their management. I don't want to insinuate italians don't care about rules, but, well...
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  4. kbroderick

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    There are very large sums of money (not to mention prestige, etc.) on the line. Everyone at that level of sporting is driven to win, and they will stretch the rules as far as they believe they can get away with in doing so, because if they weren't that driven, they wouldn't be at that level. Oh, and it's only cheating if you get caught.
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    In Motogp it’s seems pretty clear tha Dorna isn’t going to do much if a top team is caught red handed, and they sure do t seem to be looking for it. I mean what are they going to do penalize Honda enough to cost them a championship? That will never happen no matter what they do, as long as they can keep it mostly out of public view. So in this case, and there is no real penalty for a team like Honda but there is real pressure from the top to win then it’s pretty likely that those whose status and paychecks depend on results will interpret the rules rather loosely shall we say and the pressure will be applied down the line as necessary. I’ve seen it happen many times in regular business to attempt to meet unrealistic schedules, the communication is understood even though it’s never explicitly stated. And with Magnetic Marelli a couple of kilometers down he road from Ducati I can’t imagine there is any priveledged info being shared there either (yes that is sarcasm for those that don’t get it)
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    What information leads you to this conclusion ?
  7. cogitate

    cogitate What Marcellus Wallace Looks Like

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    They don't even handle start line fiascos in a meaningful way. Or I can list other things as well.
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    Yes, please list instances where technical infractions have been dismissed .
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  9. cogitate

    cogitate What Marcellus Wallace Looks Like

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    Let me rephrase: I didn't state tech infractions being dismissed, I stated fiascos not being handled correctly.
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    They've had a few operational cock-ups but that has no relevance to my question.
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    Pantah PJ Fan from Scottsdale

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    I think all he is saying is that Dorna appears more interested in building their show than they are enforcing their rules. He believes they are not likely to penalize any of the main contributers to their show so severely as to take them out of the championship. I think that is a fair opinion but I wouldn’t be inclined to prove it to you by listing instances to back up my opinion. You wouldn’t either so why make such demands of fellow posters?
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    The result of all the jacking around with spec this and spec that is Honda and Marquez winning The Championship 4 out of the 5 years that he's been in MotoGP. I wouldn't bet against Honda and Marquez winning 4 out of the next 5 World Championships. Sort of a "spec this!" from the Honda racing folks.
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    This statement was made.

    I think it's unfair to make accusations and assumptions about a group or person that serious without precedent. Maybe some exist that I don't know about. That's why I asked.

    If the poster has no evidence that there is a history of teams being caught "red handed" (assume that means cheating) without repercussions it seems a stretch in credibility to make that statement.
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    Gone Troppo Somewhat bemused observer

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    It must be true! I read it in here...

    :D
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    Ok I get that. But everything posted here is simply an opinion. It is up to the reader to score the credibility of the post. Not you.

    But I get your view too. You don’t want some random thoughts posted. We all have that feeling sometimes. Even with you!

    This is still a very good forum. The best for us in my view. Very informative for even the most connected if they are smart.
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    I think we can all safely assume that Rossi is and always has taken illegal performance enhancing drugs.
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    Gone Troppo Somewhat bemused observer

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    Cue outrage! :eekers :lol3
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    RememberTheFallen Been here awhile

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    .....I heard that Marquez's dad fed CS27 all of those protein shakes so his boy would have a seat at HRC AND that Johan Zarco could have easily won the last 8 races but instinct kicked in and he had to surrender when he saw the white flag on the last lap...

    Sounds like some crap the say about the Stig on Top Gear!

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    sTE610vE First on the brakes, last on the gas...

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    Unfair? On a message board? :lol3
    I’ll have more to add, I’m running wires at the moment, ill-egal E-lectronics, if you know what I mean :evilg



    If it wasn’t for guys like you these message boards wouldn’t be any fun at all, serously I appreciated your opinion even though I rarely agree :thumb..ain’t it great :D