Zumo 660LM + sena smh10 + phone = crappy audio?

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  1. projectmrod

    projectmrod n00b

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    So i'm trying to get this setup figured out, and i pretty much bought each devices on their respective capabilities.

    When i pair the Smh10 with my phone, total awesome clear audio with phone calls and playing media. However, I also wanted turn by turn nav, not really for the turn by turn, but just as a reminder if a turn is coming.

    Anyways, I also got a 16gb SD card to throw in the zumo and im goign to load all my music so i wont worry about wasting batter on my phone (gps is wired to the headlight)

    anyways, When I pair the cell phone and smh10 to the GPS.. the audio is shit. I did a test phone call (accepting the call through the gps) and it was very scratchy and it even cut out once or twice. Havent tried media yet.

    Any ideas as the problem? or why the audio would degrade like that?

    Thanks
    V/R

    Michael
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  2. mass-klr

    mass-klr Been here awhile

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    I have the same problem. Wasted hours copying mp3's to the microSD card.I have not tested the phone through the 660 extensively but if I find that it sucks too I might have to do everything from the phone directly except for the GPS directions.
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  3. pauleknight

    pauleknight Need Cool Name Here

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    A2DP is the prefered way to connect to the Garmin 66X series and get good audio.

    I have a different problem with my Garmin / Scala setup I am trying to work thru with Garmin.

    I would assure that how ever you connect the Sena that you assure that it is the A2DP / Stereo method.

    Good luck
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  4. bighopper

    bighopper Been here awhile

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    Did you follow this setup process http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIOYAlSDqMg&uid=8a7B31cP3zSv_ShzFYBTqg&lr=1
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  5. BlueLghtning

    BlueLghtning Riding is my passion

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    You might have better luck in the actual Sena SMH10 thread? - http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=562357

    I haven't played around with the Zumo 660 + SMH10 + cell phone so I can't help, but there's enough people in there that have, they should be able to help.
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  6. Nesbocaj

    Nesbocaj Politicians suck

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    Pair the Zumo to the Sena, pair the phone to the Zumo:

    Clear all of the BT connections from the Zumo and the Phone*
    Turn the phone off
    Turn the Zumo on
    press and hold the back (phone) button for 5 seconds the Zumo and the Sena will pair, if the Zumo asks for a pin it will be 0000
    Turn Sena off
    Pair the phone and Zumo, pin will be 1234 this time in the phone.

    I get pretty good stereo from the Zumo, voice dialing with the smart phone, and my contacts load into the Zumo
    ( I had to unpair and repair the phone once or twice before the contacts showed up on the Zumo.)

    *To clear the previously paired items to the Sena:
    from the manual.........
    1. To restore the SMH10 to factory default settings, press and hold
    the Phone Button for 12 seconds until the LED shows solid red
    and you hear double beeps. You will hear a voice prompt saying
    “Factory reset”.
    2. Within 5 seconds, press the Jog Dial to confirm reset. The headset
    will be restored to factory setting and switched off automatically.
    You will hear a voice prompt saying “Headset reset, good-bye”.
    3. If you don’t press the Jog Dial within 5 seconds, the reset attempt is
    canceled and the headset returns to stand-by mode. You will hear
    a voice prompt saying, “Canceled”.
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  7. /dev/null

    /dev/null Been here awhile

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    You will not get good stereo audio out of any Garmin device.

    I too unfortunately only found this out after purchasing a 660 (BMW Nav IV). Have tested this with 3 NAV IVs and a 660 and no fewer than eight client devices (e.g. SMH10, Scala G4) all have the same terrible audio behavior. Use the phone.
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  8. pauleknight

    pauleknight Need Cool Name Here

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    http://www.facebook.com/Garmin?fref=ts

    I have been complaining on the Garmin FB page for some time and we need to band together and complain as much as we can to get this GArmin issue resolved.

    PLEASE complain on the GARMIN FB page.

    Link above.
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  9. pascuzzo

    pascuzzo n00b

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    I'm pretty sure that the Sena manual says you can pair your phone directly to the SMH10 and also pair the GPS directly to the SMH10. I'm about to try that configuration on mine.
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  10. BlueLghtning

    BlueLghtning Riding is my passion

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    You can if you have version 4.0 with the multi-point pairing, however the Zumo 660 will hog both the HFP & the A2DP profiles, so that only leaves one HFP profile for your phone. So basically you can't listen to music from your phone.

    Because of that, I don't think the Zumo 660 will pair to the Multi-point pairing connection?
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  11. Japanviking

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    I am sharing this frustration. NaviIV, Sena and Iphone 5.
    Doesn't work very well. Tried many different ways if pairing the units but haven't found a way to make it work ok yet.

    Right now I have given up on using the Zumo as a hub for playing music etc. I just want to be able to receive calls and operate the phone from the Zumo.
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  12. Albie

    Albie Kool Aid poisoner

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    If you pair the phone first, wouldn't that keep the 660 from grabbing the A2DP connection?
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  13. BlueLghtning

    BlueLghtning Riding is my passion

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    I don't have the 660, so I'm not speaking from experience, but from the posts I've read, the 660 keeps disconnecting the HFP if it can't grab the A2DP profile also?

    Technically if both are paired, but you power the phone grab the A2DP first, it should work that way where it holds it, but like I said, reports say otherwise.
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  14. pauleknight

    pauleknight Need Cool Name Here

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    AS some of you know I am working / fighting with Garmin to get them to fix their Bluetooth issues with the Garmin 66x series..

    FACEBOOK Complaint Page

    I am not sure that this is going to work, but could everyone read this and support all of us and the cause to get the GARMIN issue fixed?

    Please go to the facebook complaint page and like my comment and if you want, add your complaint as well.

    The more of us that complain on Social media the more likely they are to fix their problems

    The 66x from Garmin (which cost over $900) has a flaw that makes it unusable on the Motorcycle. The connection from the Garmin to the Bluetooth Helmet is defective and everyone could use your support in trying to convince Garmin to FIX THE PROBLEM...

    Thanks in Advance.
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  15. Snarky

    Snarky Vodka Infused.

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    I have a Zumo 665, I just got a SMH10 and I tried using XM with it. It sounded like ass. Oddly enough it gave the DJ and some of the vocalists lisps. I'm going to try to clear the headset and allow the Zumo to grab the stereo audio first and see if that helps. Ideally I would like to pull stereo audio from both the phone and Zumo though.

    I wonder if running all this through an SR10 would solve any problems, I don't guess I need the mic input into the garmin, just stereo output, I can dial my calls through Siri just tapping the phone button on the Sena right now...
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  16. BlueLghtning

    BlueLghtning Riding is my passion

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    So, I've been reading about all the bad sounding BT on the Zumo 660/665? It almost sounds like the stereo music is being routed through the HFP/HSP profile which is mono and yeah that usually does sound like crap. Is this a recent change in a firmware upgrade? I wonder if this was their response to the Zumo 660/665 hogging the A2DP profile even if it didn't need it? Of course routing all audio through the HFP would be even worse. It really needs to be selectable menu item in the BT configuration if the media "A2DP" profile needs to connect or not for the various uses. If you want to listen to XM or MP3, connect the A2DP, if you only want the Zumo for navigation and phone use, don't connect the A2DP profile and leave it open for other music devices.

    Is it possible to load an older firmware update on the 660/665 to get back the better sounding BT, or did it never have any that sounded good?

    As for the SR10, its not stereo either so it only connects with the HFP profile. Some people have had good luck using a hardwire connection from their Zumo 660/665 to the SR10 to alleviate the issue of the Zumo grabbing the A2DP profile leaving it open for your cell phone music. The SR10 would pair on the multipoint pairing only leaving the main HFP/A2DP connection open for your iphone for voice & music. However, if you wanted to listen to XM through the 665, that wouldn't work. There is only 1 A2DP profile on the SMH10, so devices can't connect at the same time.

    The SM10 is a stereo BT trasceiver that is capable of connecting to 2 BT headsets at the same with 2 different A2DP profiles so both users can share the music source. This device would almost work, except that my understanding is it only has 1 stereo input and the other aux input is mono? :( If they would have given it 2 stereo inputs, you could switch between different music devices as you wish.
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  17. cobrat

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    I don't have any music on my phone. So the 660 and the Samsung are BT'd to the Sena, and wifes Sena is BT'd to mine for intercom. Then, if I want tunes, I plug in the Ipod to the Sena. Everything works great, tunes sound great.

    Ok, that was prolly no help, but just wanted to share something that does work well.
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  18. Hex Head

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    So I have a question
    Thinking about buying a 660
    Not interested in having my phone connected to anything
    I'll make calls if I need to during a break

    Can I bluetooth my iPod to the Sena, and also the 660 to the Sena

    Listen to music and then when a tun comes up, the 660 kicks in.
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