Zumo off road?

Discussion in 'Mapping & Navigation' started by inte, Sep 26, 2007.

  1. inte

    inte neophyte serendipity

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    Have only used the Garmin III, V, & Rino units. Ridden with guys using the Streetpilots & they seem to hold up fine...

    How does the Zumo hold up to serious off-road use??
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  2. WoodButcher

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    20mph biff on a muddy dirt road. First thing I checked was the Zumo. Next was me. Zumo was in better shape. My shoulder hurt for weeks.

    After that I went ahead and used it on the trails around Cloudcroft NM. Original plan was to use the Zumo for the dual sport riding (fire roads) the first day, then switch to my old etrex Vista for the singletrack riding.

    I have it in the RAM mount that came with it. Biggest risk I think is an object to the screen, but there isn't much you can do to protect that since its a touch screen. I think the protective screen films would be a good idea though. I'll order one soon.
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  3. Countdown

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    Like the many replies of "no problem", they have no information content. The only valuable answer to your question is from people who have had a problem with a product. If enough people respond negative or someone knows of a lot of problems then you have some information. The question is what small percentage have had a problem not the fact that lots of people have not had a problem. If the product just plain fails every one would know but some products are not as strong as others. I know of several 76s that have failed due to vibration yet I am not aware of any 60s that have failed. I still prefer the 76 knowing that it has a problem with vibration.

    The same result is happening on the GPS60C RAM mount redesign question. The author obviously already knows there is a problem yet people keep reporting that they have not had a problem.

    On the subject of Zumo off-road, do you use tracks? The Zumo does not support them in the standard Garmin way. There are a couple of threads on this subject.
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  4. inte

    inte neophyte serendipity

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    I see your point, but oddly enough I'd probably fall into the "no problems" category with my Garmin units (V, III+, Rinos) - many, many miles of Baja, for sure a crash or two, or three, ... four ... well needless to say they've seen a hard life & never missed a beat (other than loose antennas & many broken Touratech mounts).

    Just curious if the general intent for the Zumo was more of a "road" unit vs dualsport/offroad.

    Heard something about the different in tracks - as long as I can still create them somehow, I don't mind adapting. I'll look up some of those threads in any case...
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    Update ... I just called Garmin ... according to them the tracks should be compatible between units, as long as they're created in Mapsource.

    My question/concern was would I be able to use tracks I created in my previous GPS units in the new Zumo - their answer was yes with the caveat that if autorouting was used the routes could go haywire as the newer Mapsource software will have updated roads that previously might not have existed.

    If only waypoints & routes are used, everything should transfer over fine, according to Garmin.

    Zumo's on it's way, we'll see...
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  6. mookymoo

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    I think you might be confusing Tracks with Routes?

    Tracks record where you have been. The problem as I understand it is that the Zumo doesnt give you any control of the sampling rate/method - so its very easy for it to fill its buffer (of 50k points or some such).
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    Zumo takes tracks from Mapsource and turns them into routes. You follow the route instead of a track. However you can follow any track that you rode in the last two days or so.

    Between the active and archive logs, I figure you could ride for a month and still have your tracks recorded.
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    The lied they are not "compatable" but they can comunicate in a workaround fashion. As stated by others, if you try to load a track from your PC into the Zumo, the only option the Zumo gives is to convert it to a route. Not sure how many of the track points convert to route points. Also you must have auto routing off to follow the old track.

    I provide tracks to customers for my Dual Sport (now Adventure Bike) rides. I have a customer with a Zumo entered in the next one on 10/6-7. We will see how it works.
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    I just did a test of that with an old track. Seems to come in as a route exactly following the track. With autorecalc off, you can follow it. I just don't know what the voice prompts will be like though.

    Pulling tracks off the zumo is like on other units and you can manipulate them in Mapsource. Only time it gets interesting is with the archive track files. It auto creates those when you reach 10,000 points in the main track log file. You access them from the zumo drive letter when it is connect to the pc instead of using the Transfer option in Mapsource. They are in the GPX/archive directory.
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    I don't think voice prompt is of much value to dirt riders anyway.

    Can you upload the route that was derived form a track to determine if the route has as many route poinits and the track had track points?

    Other question, is there any way to download a track into the Zumo's Active Log?
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  11. Twohondas

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    Zumo Routes and tracks overlay exactly on Mapsource. In the conversion process, I think Zumo puts in as many points as it needs to replicate the track. But I am not sure if I can even see the number of points it really uses/makes. You certainly can not see points in any other route except maybe a few viapoints but that means nothing as you could have zero for a 3000 miles crosscountry.

    There are two normal files in the GPX directory on the Zumo - Current and Temp.

    Current.gpx has all your favorites/viapoints, routes and the lastest tracks (10K limit before archive). Although I have not done it you possibly could replace the tracks in the current file with "Countdown Special Trip Tracks" but remember that depending on size yours may end up being archived during the next trip as the Zumo automatically starts adding new tracks as soon as you turn it on.

    I will try to see if I can put some old archive log files back into the active log for grins. :freaky

    Looks like the the Temp file is constructed in the process when you download routes/viapoints to the Zumo from Mapsource. My last one was constructed when I downloaded routes for CO in August.
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  12. OffRoadCruiser

    OffRoadCruiser Been here awhile

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    Thank you for your efforts in helping the rest of us understand our Zumos better.

    I have the Zumo 550 and so far I like it however I am not sure that I can do the following; while riding along I would like to see the routes that myself or others have used in the same general area.

    Since SD memory is cheap and there is lots of memory available I can load lots of routes into the Zumo but I do not know of any way to display all of the previous routes in the same area that I am currently riding.

    I know how to select a single route that others have used previously and the Zumo will also select the preferred roads to the start of the route if I allow it to do that but I know of no way to highlight all of the others routes that are stored in memory.

    The currently active trail of breadcrumbs is highlighted but nothing older.

    Any suggestions?


    Carl
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  13. DRTBYK

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    I have been using a zumo550 now since it's release. I have been through all of the firmware updates and I believe that I am aware of all of the short comings of this GPSr with respect to off-road riding. The zumo is a very solid device. The weak point, if any, is the Garmin Base. I use a Touratech mount (non-MvG) and have had no problems - and as Jon knows, I fall down on occasion.

    As for Tracks and Routes, I think Jerry and I have had this discussion in another thread before. Yes, it is important to give facts when describing how the zumo's (and other Garmin GPSr's) use Tracks and Routes.

    I have created, and imported, several hundred off-road Tracks with the zumo550 and there are no problems maintaining a faithful track representation on the zumo. Yes, they get converted to Routes. So what, as long as the route is faithful. I would be very happy to spend my time analyzing any Track to validate it's conversion to a zumo Route and it's faithful representation on Garmin maps relative to lat/lon position.

    As for creating Tracks, the zumo's do that just fine. Do you get all of the user selectable options for track-point time/distance placement as some of the other Garmin GPSr's provide - No. I have not found a need for these options and I used a 276c for three years.

    By the way - Howdy Jon!
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  14. inte

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    Just received my Zumo ... saw the power cable that plugs into the GPS with the two bare wires at the other end.

    Curious what the best way to connect the power to a 2006 BMW GS 1150 Adv is.

    Direct to battery?
    Splice in someplace?
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  15. DRTBYK

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    No, You can only display one route at a time. That is why it is important to Name your routes so that they convey their position/location in a meaningful way.
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    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    Jon, you're a GSAdv owner now? :evil

    I like to wire the Base directly to the battery (or an aux fuse block if you have one). This will allow you to have power to the GPS at all times.

    How you likin' the GS?
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  17. Twohondas

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    Exactly - You could also add a waypoint to a route which would tell you "Easy/Hard Path Start" etc which would alert you to look or load other routes.
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    DRTBYK All Things GPS

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    I would also suggest placing "proximity" alert data in the waypoints so that it pops-up on the GPS screen with enough time to react (stop and pick an optional route).
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  19. OffRoadCruiser

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    I am new to GPS and used to reading maps. The equivalent in a map would be a highlighter for all the routes that you used previously.

    I understand what you are saying about including a waypoint to let you know that you are about to approach the start of a route but a more likely scenario for me is that I am just riding along and I could be crossing that route anywhere along it's length.

    Can I create a visual reminder on the screen, 'You are about to cross a nice route' by converting older tracks to either waypoints or user POIs. (not that I know how to do that right now).:rofl

    In theory, if I 'filter' a track and reduce it to 100 points in MapSource then create waypoints I assume that a line of flags would show up on the screen as I am approaching this set of waypoints.

    There may also be a way to convert the breadcrumbs in an old track into user POIs so that the screen would not be covered in flags.

    I am assuming that one of the GPS utility programs like GPSBabel will allow me to convert a set of track points to either a file with waypoints or user POIs.

    Does this make sense?


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    Carl,

    The objective of giving Waypoints Proximity Alerts is to do just what you are suggesting. This is not a function of converting a Track to a Route though. When a Track is converted to a Route the Track-points (bread crumbs) that are carried forward into the Route are converted to Shaping-points. These do not have proximity attributes. So, once a Track is converted to a Route, Waypoints need to be inserted into the Route. My suggestion above was to place these at intersection points with other Routes/Tracks so that as you travel you will be notified on the GPS screen that you are approaching an Alternate Route/Track.

    All of this needs to be done before hand in Mapsource. But, it is not that hard to do.
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