I had been eyeing these pants for a while, and when the easter sale $119 hit, I bit. First impressions were very positive, pants feel very well made. Today was the first day I got to test them in the rain: NOT waterproof at all. My old Fly Butane pants were more waterproof, and they started leaking at the stitch above the kneepads after a while. Very disappointed to have these leak the first time they saw rain. Leaked at the crotch, both thigh vents, both inside calves, and somehow at the right knee as well. This was on a 5 mile commute home from work, at speeds 0-30mph. Pretty disappointed, especially after all of the positive reviews.