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Discussion in 'Trials' started by motodojo, May 24, 2019.
Well I hope we see some pics of you guys riding trials on these soon!
Does it count if I ride over a small log?
Yeah, like some of the stuff on the June 4 ride on Roostre's thread: https://thumpertalk.com/forums/topi...-250r-thread/?do=findComment&comment=14339294
You can ride trials on almost anything, if its easy route or perhaps middle route if you are a good rider at like a little local club trial.
These little trials just want folks to turn up suport the club, and many of the older british Pre 65s are far from dedicated trials bikes, the trials frames were just very slightly different much of it cosmetic, and many pre 65s are just lightened up road bike frames, not all pre 65s are modern specialist frame re hashes with a older lug or two grafted into a modern frame just to count as pre 65s. So if say such bikes as these are on an easy route the FX125 will eat such a route and be as much fun as any other bike , and all at a very cheap price, and new so you do not have to buy it and then gradually find its faults and repair them. These FX125s should give anybody on a budget a pretty strong chance of a good long term reliable sort of x trainer style bike, that can be practical enough to ride on slow trails or getting up in the hills for a play.
My first trials bike was an old Honda SL125 with big rear sprocket.
Looking at Chadzu photos closer it does seem like he has the deluxe version. Mine is probably closer to the Orion.
Here are some differences I see not mentioned before. He has and adjustable shock. Mine is gas filled with a valve but no adjuster besides preload. He has folding rear brake lever and maybe aluminum instead of my steel? His footpegs look better. He has much better tires than mine.
The Orion might be a step below mine since it has non adjustable forks and the Orion video says oil filled shock while mine has a gas valve.
I haven't put mine together yet but have been looking at ways to make it lighter. The subframe could be made of aluminum instead of steel. The front down tubes are non load bearing and could be made of aluminum or taken out. I'd like to find aluminum rear sprockets that will fit. For trials it will need to be geared down.
The air filter rubbing against my leg will be an issue that will need to be addressed but first step is to ride it as is.
My first trials bike was a Kawasaki 120 frame and a Hodaka 100 motor with lots of parts recommended by Pabatco, the Hodaka distributor in Oregon, and porting mods prescribed in Pabatco's trials bulletins. It had baby Ceriani road racing forks filled with the lightest fluid I could find, and weighed 185 lbs which was light for those days. Trophied on it in my first two trials. Good times in the 1970s! I want one of these little bikes to recreate the flavor of that bike!
"...first step is to ride it as is."
That's wisdom. It will teach you what it needs, then what it needs most you do first, and repeat until it's good enough.
I'll be following your progress with interest. Thanks to you and Chad for pioneering.
My first was a Trialised BSA BANTAM D3 plunger frame 150 major top end 72 tooth rear sprocket .
That was my first trials bike too, minus the big sprocket.
At 14 I wanted an SL125 to ride to school, my Dad came home one day and told me he bought me a SL. I ran down to the barn and from a distance I could see the sparkling new blue and white tank. As I got closer I was thinking it looked weird.
Well it was an SL175, with a big fat 2 cylinder CB looking motor and a Goodyear Eagle street tire on the back. I was disappointed and immediately was thinking how embarrassing it would be to be seen on such a contraption, not to mention the weight of the beast.
Dad saw through the look on my face and wanted to know why I didn't like it because it was a better bike than I asked for. Well I pointed out the flaws in my mind, metal front fender, 2 cylinders and a street tire. So we pulled out the JC witney catalog and ordered a Preston Petty front fender and a rear knobby.
After that life was good and I came to like that beast, it was very fast and the extra weight actually made me a better rider. I would eat dirt with it in the sand but otherwise it was a good trail bike. I wish I still had it, it would make a good vintage trial rig.
Is the non-trials fun bike still running?
A bunch of inmates can be brutal on equipment!
Go to bsaotter.com there are several trials specials with pit bike engines.
Charlie off BSA otter IIRC mentioned the chinese ? Honda CG vertical push rod singles as a worthy trials motor think h. i completely agree with him, they are a good low down puller for such a small engine, the 200s i have found run well but right down low they get a bit fussy, the 125s are a bit down on torque but the 150ccs are a good compromise and good thing is these engines are ubiquitous second hand and in cheap bikes so a real viable option.
The little blue bike is up and running around. It’s fun to ride and a sound concept. Quality is hit and miss. Some of the parts are really nice, and some are pretty sketchy.
Nicely done, Chad! I rewatched the first video on this thread again last night, and realized, that's where I saw your blue frame before! But I like the look of your bike without the decals. You never mentioned which engine you chose. Could you update us please. And pictures of your completed bike? I hope your ladies like it!
That video is a perfect Chinese ripoff of the original KTM Freeride videos from years ago (even down to the style of music), and makes me think that if a name is needed for this category of bike it could be ultralight freeride.
On Saturday I inquired price and availability of this bike from GPX, and if it would come with an mso. I got a response from Gary Goodwin this morning, and am still recovering from sticker shock. I agree with you that the way to do this would be to buy from Orion (at less that a grand for the whole enchilada, including the 125cc engine, it's a major bargain), and first, evaluate how the package works, then begin the upgrades incrementally as needed.
As things stand now, Gary said they are selling them only as kits, so no mso until they put them out as complete bikes.
Fire breathing 86cc 4speed semi auto in mine at the moment. Works good for the girls, whiskey throttle isn’t a thing with it.
Here's what you can do with 70cc.
I'll have to consider putting the carb backwards like the Scorpa.
Sticker shock? I only have a few kits that we had airshipped in, by doing so shipping is a little higher. However I wouldn’t exactly call $1600 too much of a sticker shock price considering they are the upgrade models with alloy wheels, Cnc triples, cnc hubs and fully adjustable upgraded suspension (not like the pogo sticks on some other models). Hell you can’t even buy a mountain bike for $1600 these days ♂️. We are just checking them out and testing the market for them. I can order for guys if they are interested and at a later date we may offer them as a complete model.
Hey Pitster, it's not that your offer is not fair considering what is included, it's just that by the time the engine is added in it's twice the price of Orion's offer, for a bike that is in a whole new category.
As you almost certainly know from selling to so many people, sticker shock is a temporary condition evoked by an initial perception that price exceeds value. It is dispelled by further examination of the facts, but takes time.
From what I know of the other bikes in your line, I'm sure that if I saw the two bikes side-by-side, and tested them back-to-back, and added up the upgrade costs, I would find that you provide the best value. I'm certain that you provide the best quality. You're getting a reputation for that.
Here's where I'm struggling with the value proposition. It's not that concept is flawed, but that the design and implementation might have missed the mark. Small things make a difference in riding experience over time, like rubbing your leg against the air filter, or running out of fuel in an inconvenient place, or a frame and swingarm that are underdesigned and overbuilt. If these are things that can be dealt with over time by thoughtful tinkering, then that's OK, because garage time is often one of the best parts of bike ownership (after actual riding time, of course). Time will tell, and I'm grateful for pioneers like @Chadzu, @sanjoh , @motodojo and @DR. Rock for taking the risk to evaluate the concept and the products and reporting their experience.