1965 Honda Dream 305 C77 - engine substitute

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  1. Kenneth Winter

    Kenneth Winter He who falls.. Alot!

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    I have a tired 1965 Honda Dream 305 frame in the corner of the garage.
    The engine is LONG gone.
    I should scrap it.. But is has waited patiently in the corner for years wait to be revived.

    I am not familiar with machines of this era.. ;o)

    What OTHER engines could fit into that stamp box frame??

    The machine is to far gone to restore.
    But it could make a neat rat bike... WITH an engine.

    Suggestions??

    Kenneth in TN

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  2. ivantheterrible

    ivantheterrible Long timer Supporter

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    I had one of those in similar shape and wondered the same thing. I had a nighthawk/rebel engine laying around that I was considering putting in it. Never got around to even trying, but I did sell it to a kid who rebuilt the engine. He said it was pretty easy, and many of the parts can be had from David Silver. there was a guy on the Honda dream forum (don't know if it still exists, it's been many years) named 'loud mouse' who was a bit of a guru with these bikes. He came off as a bit of a curmudgeon on the forum, but he help me over the phone many times and was super nice in person, as well as very knowledgeable. Good luck
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  3. Egoland

    Egoland Adventurer

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    There are some chinese twins around 250 cc. Basicaly a small Rebel-clone. Maybe off AliExpress or Wish?
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  4. fast1075

    fast1075 Not a Lemming Supporter

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    That bike is set up for the chain on the right side. The engine bears resemblance to Laverda, because. Any way if you flopped the rear wheel around for left side drive, you might could fit a 250 Ninja engine in there. They use a stressed engine setup, and can be had very cheaply. And could still push that old bike faster than it ever went stock. The single carb CA-77 was definitely not a powerhouse. But they sounded cool at idle because of the 360 degree crank.
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  5. Richarde1605

    Richarde1605 Long timer

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    Actually laverda copied them. My 59 c71 250 that I probably should fix up.[​IMG]

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  6. anonny

    anonny What could go wrong?

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    Actually Laverda did it right when they took the timing gear down to the crank shaft instead off the cams like Honda did.
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  7. Richarde1605

    Richarde1605 Long timer

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    Perhaps, and yes this actually has a distributor cap on the left head, some versions also had variable valve timing. It is 6 volt with no regulator, and electric start, but can run without a battery...

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  8. pekingduck

    pekingduck Been here awhile

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    Putting another engine in would be a HUGE project. There aren't many engines with that have a severely inclined head, you'd have to build a frame cradle, and in the end, if you didn't give up on it, you'd have a Frankenbike that wouldn't do anything well, would be ugly to look at, and worth nothing.
    There are some parts of value that you could sell - chainguard, tank, badges, fender, or just pass it on to some Honda dream lover.
    Just ask yourself - if you didn't own it, and your buddy had it in his garage and offered it to you for next to nothing, would you say " yeah, I need a project like that" ?
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  9. Beezer

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    I would fix whats there. if I wanted a weirdo project I would use the engine and find another frame... the results would be much better
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  10. lesman

    lesman Live easy, Brake Hard

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    My vote the new Honda 500 or think big BMW 6 cylinder
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    pekingduck Been here awhile

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    Or to keep it all in the family, a CBX. :D
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  12. lesman

    lesman Live easy, Brake Hard

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    CBX in a monocoque frame , how cool is that? With 1" of suspension. The Fred Flintstone brakes are more than up to the job.
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  13. lesman

    lesman Live easy, Brake Hard

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    BTW I'm a hard core 305 fan. I love those stamp steel frames. The coolest big engine setup is the Honda 175 in a CT70 or ST90 frame with USD forks and disc brakes.
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  14. pekingduck

    pekingduck Been here awhile

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    Ah yes, I remember the blue one I used to have in the '60s .........

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  15. lesman

    lesman Live easy, Brake Hard

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    I don't remember the 305 6 cylinder having a blue seat.

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    pekingduck Been here awhile

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    My memory is not so good - it was the '60s....groovy man......can ya dig it?
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  17. lesman

    lesman Live easy, Brake Hard

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    I do remember seeing a Honda 400 4 motor in a 305 frame. It was beautiful. Don';t remember if it was a cb or ca frame
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    pekingduck Been here awhile

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    Yeah, we were probably smokin' the same stuff.
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  19. lesman

    lesman Live easy, Brake Hard

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    Seriously it was a cb1 motor in a 305 frame.

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    Kenneth Winter He who falls.. Alot!

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