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2011 Ktm 450lc4 Rally Replica

Discussion in 'Thumpers' started by B.Ross, May 21, 2010.

  1. B.Ross

    B.Ross Been here awhile

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    <hr style="COLOR: #575757" size="1"><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->From KTM today:

    "Dear Charlie!

    Please find attached the technical detail of our 450 Rally bike, which will be available for Dakar 2011.

    Our quotation will be as follow:

    Price 450 KTM Rally: 29.300,-- Euro (without VAT)
    Price spare engine (max. 2): 5.000,-- Euro (without VAT)
    Bike painted in sponsor basicolor: 1.000,-- Euro (without VAT)
    Production date: October 2010
    Closing date (for orders) : 15th of June


    For orders please contact daniela.leidl@ktm.at

    Pictures of the bike we will send you soon (1 – 2 weeks).

    We are looking forward to hearing soon from you!

    Best regards
    KTM Rally team"

    attached specs:

    450 Rally Replica 2011

    Engine
    Engine type Single cylinder, 4-stroke
    Displacement 449cc
    Bore / stroke 97 / 60,8
    Power n.s.
    Torque n.s.
    Starter / battery Electric starter / 12 V 8.6 Ah
    Transmission 5 gears, dog clutch engagement
    Fuel system Keihin FCR-MX 41
    Control 4 V / OHC with roller rocker levers
    Lubrication Pressure lubrication with 1 Eaton pumps
    Engine oil Motorex, fully synthetic, SAE 10W-60
    Final drive 15 : 48
    Cooling Liquid cooling
    Clutch Wet multi-disc clutch, hydraulically operated
    Engine management / ignition Keihin DC ECU


    Chassis
    Frame Chromium-Molybdenum trellis frame, powder coated
    Subframe Self-supporting plastic tank
    Handlebar Aluminium, tapered, Ø 28 / 22 mm
    Front suspension WP-USD Ø 48 mm
    Rear suspension WP-Monoshock with Pro-Lever linkage
    Suspension travel front / rear 300 / 310 mm
    Front brake Brembo two-piston, floating caliper, brake disc Ø 300 mm
    Rear brake Brembo single piston, floating caliper, brake disc Ø 240 mm
    Rims front / rear Spoked wheels with aluminium rims 1.60 x 21'' / 2.50 x 18''
    Tyres front / rear 90/90-21"; 130/80-18"
    Chain X-Ring 5/8 x 1/4"
    Steering head angle 62.5°
    Trail 120 mm
    Wheel base 1,535 ± 15 mm
    Ground clearance 320 mm
    Seat height 980 mm
    Tank capacity approx. 35 litres
    Weight (ready to race) under 150 kg (without fuel)

    Who wants to buy one? Pay now. Delivery (slightly used) in February 2011. They'll sell one to us, but probably not to the general public this year at least.

    fun fun
    Charlie
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    The realm of fanasty for us weekend warriors. Maybe this will lead to a production 450 ADV? :norton Probably not. Though 450 with longer service intervals sound promissing. :1drink :1drink
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  2. rallyman

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    Looking forward to see the photos
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  3. Toe

    Toe Grab your gear

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    Oooo how exciting! :clap
    Can't wait to see it and a complete spec list (engine and chassis). The basic chassis specs are the same as the 690 (seat height, ground clearance, wheelbase) but I'd assume there would be some differences.

    Although kind of expecting it to look like a slightly smaller 690 Rally :lol3
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  4. Didn'tDoit

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    it sounds like is gonna be the 690 rally with a 450 engine.....

    hope not
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  5. KTBen

    KTBen Barrrp!

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    Why would it be bad if it were like a smaller 690 rally????:huh
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  6. Didn'tDoit

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    I just think ktm is capable to develop a new bike to hold a smaller engine. The 690 chassis seems a bit large to do that. Apparently they were tasting 2 concepts: Same chassis with smaller engine and the development of the EXC onto a rally bike. I would prefer the second option, considering all the new competitors they've got.
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  7. The Mass

    The Mass Timbuktu or Bust... Both!

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    In 05 or 06 :dunno Carlo De Gavardo rode a 450 version of the 660 Rallye - basically sleeved and cranked to reach the 450cc.
    Pretty sure he made top ten that year too.
    This is all from an ailing memory of an old (well, senile anyway) codger from down under - so take that how you will.
    Cheers
    Mass :thumb
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  8. Navin

    Navin Long timer

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    Thats the specs for the SXF/XCf450 engine, 5 speed & bore & stroke match. Great MX or AA enduro/scrambler but not what you'd want in a bike without a spare engine & chase truck on longer distances.

    Shoulda been a 450/530 EXC already built for the masses in Adv style. At least you can build your own.
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  9. Toe

    Toe Grab your gear

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    I would have thought some sort of love child from an EXC and 450XC ATV with 2L oil capacity would be good.

    The love child bit being mostly wedging it in a rally frame :lol3
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  10. Magestyk

    Magestyk Da'Salty^Soldier

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    Now that ALL competitors gotta race 450cc bikes in the Dakar and not tone down 690's which are reliable.
    Aprilia and Sherco are gonna be the dominating brand for 2011 Dakar.
    Sad, but KTM brought nothing new to the table against these 2 companies that already proved themselves with their bikes and this year improved on their 450 Rally Models.

    Coma and Despres are excellent riders but we've seen what unreliable engine/bikes does to riders of their caliber in the Rally.
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  11. Benz

    Benz Been here awhile

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    Cool, but expensive. What's that, like 40 grand U.S.?
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  12. LukasM

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    I am surprised as well.

    - 60mm stroke is very short and not what you would want in a rally bike IMO - torque down low.

    - 150 kgs seems too heavy if it's built on the EXC platform. Given that it has less fuel capacity maybe it's really just a sleeved down 690RR with the "Rally lite" fairing/tank kit on it?

    - €29.300 net will make the bike about 30% more expensive than the old 690RR in Austria. Ouch....
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  13. schattat

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    :lurk
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  14. claferal

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    The stroke is the same than the motocross engine. So now that KTM has developed the 350 SX-F the 450 engine will be used for rallye propurse
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  15. bend27

    bend27 by hook or by crook

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    :lurk in!
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  16. zenjen

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    Looks like a couple of good hints!?!

    450 LC4 motor

    Trellis frame with linkage

    But, 5-speed & no F.I. ???
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  17. LukasM

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    5 speed is really strange. The close ratio 6 speed of the LC4 is great for racing, unless they developed a new set of cases that are narrower?

    No F.I. is completely understandable, reliability is number 1 priority in rally racing and KTM clearly doesn't have it figured out yet. I'd rather take an extra gallon of fuel than risk being stuck with a dead fuel pump... That being said, the FI'd Husaberg engines actually seem to use more fuel than their carbed KTM counterparts! :huh
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  18. Navin

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    FI is not the gem many expected it to be, especially when purposly over engineered with things like throttle by wire.

    Why believe they built another 5 speed engine with the exact same bore/stroke as the SXf 450? What purpose would it serve? If it was a new LC4 450, it would surely have a 6 speed.

    Looks like they went to the parts bin, with the new SXf350 they probabvly have plenty of 450 engines laying around.
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  19. zenjen

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    The title of the o.p.'s thread was 450LC4.
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  20. LukasM

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    That confused me, too. Now that I read the actual email from KTM again, they don't mention LC4 anywhere...
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