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2014 KTM Freeride 250r, that's right folks, street legal, 250cc 2 stroke dual sport.

Discussion in '2 smokers' started by Sp4rks, Aug 28, 2013.

  1. theMISSIONARY

    theMISSIONARY hunting and riding!!

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    i'll take a walk in the local KTM dealers with a camera....if we have them in Aus as yet he will have one :deal
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  2. Seavoyage

    Seavoyage Been here awhile

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    The 250R exhaust (or lack of a 'snail' expansion chamber) , a 28mm Keihin carburetor (a la trials bike), and no exhaust powervalve imply a trials powerband (torque at low revs, no hit), with a hefty 204 lbs. dry weight: 50 lbs. is a steep price to pay for a seat, USD forks, and an extra 3 litres of fuel. An Ossa Explorer is 81 kg with fuel! and fuel injection... and available in the USA.

    Note similar design: [​IMG]

    The 250EXC sourced transmission with 5 lower gear and a tall 6th may provide a more trail friendly spread similar to most trials bikes.

    It most probably feels very much like a early-90's trial bike with the weight and seat (when trials bikes still had seats) and a bit more nimble that a 7 kg. heavier KTM200 which feels like a pig compared to a proper trials bike set up for 'long ride' or long distance trials (LDT). We've got both of these models, so I expect to be very disappointed with the accompanying price tag.

    Jeez - e-start only and no kick start on a low displacement 2-stroke? who's brilliant idea was that to save a few lbs.?

    Formula brakes vs the proven Brembo's - Really? Didn't work with the trials community...

    At least it's a 2-stroke and not a 'locomotive'

    Really?

    Getting Lars Enockl to promote the Freeride 250R is a great marketing ploy.

    Surprised that Maxxis supplies trials tires... Endurocross take note.
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  3. Inane Cathode

    Inane Cathode Cheated Anion

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    WAT!?

    Want.
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  4. buls4evr

    buls4evr No Marks....

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    Looks like it is only "street legal" in Bangladesh. I'm not seeing turn signals, mirrors. Worst of all for a 2 stroke.... No apparent Autolube type system. A neat little bike though...
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  5. Grreatdog

    Grreatdog Long timer Supporter

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    The thing about KTM's is that almost any of them are street legal if you live in the right state. Even in a nanny state like MD with a tough title inspection my MXC200 with a BD dual sport kit is 100% street legal. It isn't real practical, but it sure is fun to ride a featherweight that punches well above its class. Autolube is something I could care less about. I have too many years of two stroke outboards and motorcycles behind me to sweat premix.
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  6. dhallilama

    dhallilama Long timer

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    i've had at least one 2 stroke, street ridden bike at a time, since i started riding on the street 24 some years ago... i've never had autolube. it's never been a problem. never even been an inconvenience that i've noticed. look at the pump to see how much gas went in the tank. pour premix in. ride away.
    it's more of an inconvenience taking my helmet off and putting it back on.

    think i had one autolube 2 stroke about 30 some years ago, on a KD80 dirtbike. that's it.

    i'd give serious consideration to the freeride 2t if i were in the market for a new fun bike...
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  7. jimroid

    jimroid Long timer

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    I always carried a "honey bear" with me.The little clear bear shaped plastic bottles that honey comes in. Full bottle 8 oz., up to the bears neck,6oz. etc. Pour and go! Pre-mix,no problem:wink:
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  8. buls4evr

    buls4evr No Marks....

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    You guys are all experienced 2 stroke owners who don't mind pre-mixing at a gas station. The target market for this bike will be 1st time owners of 2 stroke KTMs. They will be people who need an automatic oiling system....like their boat or snomobile already uses. Most of these people will be too in-experienced to do more than fill that reservoir IMO. It is not new tech and does not weigh much to put one on a bike.
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  9. PatrickM

    PatrickM Been here awhile

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    I dig it.

    I wouldn't go for one as I already have a two-stroke KTM 250XC that is street legal today, and get to ride her in CA for kicks (NEDW #3, 40 PJ and 168 main) in the Bay Area.

    Nothing wrong with going to Wal-Mart and picking up one of those 3oz bottles for airport luggage, and using it to add oil to your tank when you get a fill up either.

    BUT if they're trying to market this to folks who ride street, then the carb adjustment portion is going to be a killer and EFI would almost have to be included.
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  10. Bump Stop

    Bump Stop 2 Wheeled Drifter

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    this bike is not made for people that care about riding on the street.


    my earlier comment about the graphics kit was about how poorly the free ride lines up.
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  11. snowhawk jockey

    snowhawk jockey Slack Jaw Gaper

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    I got to sit on a 350 and 250 Freeride. They are a very cool consumer grade motorbike, short, soft and easy. Think KDX200 that's is 200lbs of flash, style and turnsignals. If anyone thinks the two stroke isn't street legal in Europe, they are mistaken about Euro homoligation. The Freeride 250 comes with the regular equipment for street legal status in Europe(signals, high/low beam, horn, tail light/brake light, parking light). The Italian dealer, Numero Kappa, had one of each on the floor when I visited and they are priced at Euro$6609 for the 250R and Euro$7557 for the 350. The 250R felt lighter, leaning from side to side, but the 350 looked trick and compact. Right next to the Freeride models, he had 125 Duke, 200 Duke and 390 Duke, SWEET!!
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  12. Foot dragger

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    The level of expertise on this thread is shocking.
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  13. Foot dragger

    Foot dragger singletracker

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    Lotsa good Trail 90's for sale locally.
    Maybe pump one up to 8 hp,go crazy!
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  14. crossplane

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    For anyone interested in some real world feedback I picked up a freeride 250R in Brisbane AUS on Saturday - rode around on it for most of (edit: in reality, probably just a little under half a tank?) a tank of fuel over the weekend just getting a feel for it.

    It's remarkably fun, I really like it, though some friends of mine have reservations regarding how 'tough' it is if you were really bombing around on it, but I can't see any reason to think you're going to break it by riding it as intended. The gearing is super short, however sixth is VERY tall, it's great actually for transit stuff.

    The engine and throttle response is super crisp and it's very very torquey off the bottom and has a nice mid range - it definitely encourages shifting as not a great deal seems to happen up top. Dunno how it will be after it's run in, though.

    um... what else... I unfortunately dont go on christmas holidays until the 20th so I'm stuck at work daydreaming about taking it out again, but other things I noticed -

    the stock ADR (australian registration requirements) gear SUCKS, the huge fender they put on stresses the whole rear guard and it makes me really nervous about that plastic subframe.. I am going to take it off

    The stock mirrors are shithouse, but once again, I just removed them and put on those plastic swivel mirrors that swivel on a ball joint to hide them.

    You get a spares kit that includes spare carb needles, spare jets, etc etc - also you get a bigger front sprocket in the kit, an awesome little toolkit and you get replacement tops for the clutch and brake perches (so you can remove the OEM mirrors). I thought this was a really nice touch.

    The stock tyres are awesome so far for rocky and hard pack stuff... I love them!

    Clutch action is perfect but so far the brakes are really soft and while they have a lot of feel and are very progressive, I'd prefer the lever to have a bit more pressure behind it. I am almost pulling it in to the bar and the rear brake you have to really push hard. I do like having progression and feel but I don't like how much force is required.

    Fit and finish of the bike is pretty damned good (it's my first KTM that I've had, but I've owned new Yamahas and Beemers before among other second hand bikes) and I'm so far pretty thrilled with the bike.

    Very very positive so far, but be mindful I've only clocked around 50km on it offroad so far. Also, it's fucking loud. Like, really loud. OEM pipe is way louder than I expected. The 350 4 stroke is quiet as a whisper, this is quite loud indeed
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  15. crazybond700

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    2 stroke sounds loud when its revs up, but when you go further away most of the time the 4 strokes are more hearable (when stock exhausts are mounted, open exhaust are always loudy).

    Its looks like a nice bike to me, unfortunatly we dont have lots of space to ride with a bike type like this, if I would have lived in spain, italy of something like scotland I would definitly buy one (Probably the 2 stroke).

    The new 350 4T has been tested and it is much better than the first years bikes. The front end is stiffer, which was a major drawback on the first years model.
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  16. MotorcycleRN

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    When will someone build direct injection 2-stroke motorcycles that are street legal in the United States of Pussyville????
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  17. Andyinhilo

    Andyinhilo Long timer

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    Sadly, probably never. The public here has been sold on the 4-stroke is cleaner line for so long that you wold never be able to sell enough to justify production or importation.

    Just look at the outboard motor market. IIRC only Mercury, Yamaha and Evinrude do 2 strokes now, and in a fairly limited range. They will likely be gone soon too. It is a shame because the direct injected engines don't smoke or smell and certainly use no more fuel than a comparable 4 stroke...

    I would kill to have a modern version of a Suzuki GT750 with direct injection.
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  18. brucifer

    brucifer Long timer

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    Nissan/Tohatsu build DI EFI 2-strokes as well--we (my place of employment) are a dealer of them. They aren't going away any time soon.
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  19. Andyinhilo

    Andyinhilo Long timer

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    That is good to hear. Mercury keeps talking about endi production of thier OptiMax line, and given Bombardier's lack of customer support I would not be surprised if they went the way of OMC, too.
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  20. Sig_Sour

    Sig_Sour Been here awhile

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