2015 Cubs.....

Discussion in 'Sports' started by Murphy Slaw, Mar 7, 2015.

  1. Shaft

    Shaft counting my blessings

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    Down 6-0

    I genuinely feel sorry for the real diehard Cub fans and I know quite a few.
    I knew one old fellow who on his deathbed expressed that one of his major regrets in life was that he didn't get to see the Cubs in a world series.


    I honestly believe that the best way for true fans to support the team is by not going to the games next year, not buying the hats or shirts and not watching the games.

    That would force the owners to either give back to the fans (by investing in top players) or sell the team.
  2. BillsR100

    BillsR100 Happy Paleoflatus

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    Well, at least we're on the board.
    Win or lose, I love the Cubs and especially the fans.
  3. BillsR100

    BillsR100 Happy Paleoflatus

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    (I may have posted this before)

    NL East | NL Central | NL West |AL East | AL Central | AL West

    Team 2015 Payroll
    1. Los Angeles Dodgers $272,789,040
    2. New York Yankees $219,282,196
    3. Boston Red Sox $187,407,202
    4. Detroit Tigers $173,813,750
    5. San Francisco Giants $172,672,111
    6. Washington Nationals $164,920,505
    7. Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $150,933,083
    8. Texas Rangers $142,140,873
    9. Philadelphia Phillies $135,827,500
    10. Toronto Blue Jays $122,506,600
    11. St. Louis Cardinals $120,869,458
    12. Seattle Mariners $119,798,060
    13. Chicago Cubs $119,006,885
    14. Cincinnati Reds $117,197,072
    15. Chicago White Sox $115,238,678
    16. Kansas City Royals $113,618,650
    17. Baltimore Orioles $110,146,097
    18. Minnesota Twins $108,945,000
    19. Milwaukee Brewers $105,002,536
    20. Colorado Rockies $102,006,130
    21. New York Mets $101,409,244
    22. San Diego Padres $100,675,896
    23. Atlanta Braves $97,578,565
    24. Arizona Diamondbacks $91,518,833
    25. Pittsburgh Pirates $88,278,500
    26. Cleveland Indians $86,091,175
    27. Oakland A's $86,086,667
    28. Tampa Bay Rays $76,061,707
    29. Houston Astros $70,910,100
    30. Miami Marlins $68,479,000
  4. NikonsAndVStroms

    NikonsAndVStroms Beastly Photographer

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    Throwing money at a team isn't everything and they're doing something right... Just ask the Red Sox :lol3

    The cubs are in the NLCS so they're not far off from being a top team, just they're against a mets team that hasn't chocked yet. That's an unstoppable force!
  5. Schnickelfritz

    Schnickelfritz pick, grin, repeat

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    Cubbies were definitely hitting stride. They had the Cards' number late in the season and we all saw them unleash some serious offensive power in the NLDS to beat the best team in baseball. Now their bats are silent, while the Mets take their turn.

    Somehow, I don't think NYM have what it takes to beat either AL team the Royals.
  6. Shaft

    Shaft counting my blessings

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    I won't pretend to be an authority on sports in general or baseball in particular but from a business standpoint, (and that's what all professional sports teams are, businesses ) if the return on the present investment is high then there is little incentive for the owners to re-invest.

    The Cubs are a perfect example of this, as long as the culture of going to the game primarily for a good time persists and thus generating sufficient profits for the owners then the chances of a world series win are slim.
  7. NikonsAndVStroms

    NikonsAndVStroms Beastly Photographer

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    Money doesn't mean as much in today's MLB. Look at the list Bill posted, the Cubs have a payroll that's 18 million dollars more than the Mets and are getting creamed.

    None of the teams that will possibly play in this year's world series have a payroll that's even half of the top one in the league.
  8. NikonsAndVStroms

    NikonsAndVStroms Beastly Photographer

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    And that's why helmets are important :lol3
  9. BillsR100

    BillsR100 Happy Paleoflatus

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    I just told my wife, that foul ball just hit TWO Cubs in the head! I am CONVINCED there is a curse!!! damn goats.
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  10. BillsR100

    BillsR100 Happy Paleoflatus

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    Well done Mets.
    Thanks Chicago Cubs, thanks for a fun season.
  11. bowzer

    bowzer Adventurer

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    Ok just got home from game. PUI warning!
    I have season tickets and had a great time at the park this season. I picked the Cubs to win 88 games this year and they finished at 97. (I think)
    Ahead of my expectations. But... they made the playoffs, then the NLCS... All good, but it was tough to see them fold in four games.
    Some guy and his son (10-12yo) Mets fan snuck down in front in the late innings when it was all but over, I shook the kids hand and told him to enjoy it that he's seeing something that I've never seen in 50+ years. Dad was cool, thanking me and wishing me luck next year. (heard that before)
    And for me here is where it gets hard.
    My friend passed away in his sleep a month ago. Big Cubs fan. A younger guy (42) he was a terrific ballplayer, captain of his college team, always the best player on the field in our "beer" leagues. The news was a shock to me and at his funeral I found out that the tickets I gave him in August was the first game he took his 5 yo son and the last game he went to.
    I kinda picture his wife and the boy staying up late watching the Cubs in the playoffs together, for those few hours their world isn't so bad. Now that's over, and I hope they are going to be ok.

    Just sad right now, not about baseball, just for a little guy who lost his Dad. Congrats Mets!
  12. Murphy Slaw

    Murphy Slaw Long timer

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    Indeed.

    Not a bad run for a bunch of Rookies. I was disappointed in their inability to generate runs in the last 4 games, but they weren't supposed to get THIS far, THIS year anyhow. I think Maddon's fever had an effect on his decision making ability in the last few days. Or he's not as brilliant as everyone keeps saying.......

    Schwarber has a good bat, but he sure as hell ain't no outfielder. Let him catch.

    But still, not a bad run. The Prime Directive ALWAYS is to beat the Cardinals, and that was accomplished.....
  13. Shaft

    Shaft counting my blessings

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    You started this thread and ironically, it was at the hands of another Murphy that the Cubs met defeat.

    :-)
  14. Shaft

    Shaft counting my blessings

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    If using one year as the example then there may be anomalies but if over the course of an extended period of time the money is spent then it only stands to reason that the results will follow.





    Either way, here's to next year....
  15. BillsR100

    BillsR100 Happy Paleoflatus

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    Bowzer, Beautiful thing you did. your a true gentleman, impressive.
  16. ]I)Money

    ]I)Money D NOT I

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    Man, you've gone on about this, but the FACTS just don't support your thesis.

    Here's what's actually true about the Cubs salary in recent years:

    Since 1998, the Cubs have averaged about 8th in total salary yearly.
    In that time, they had 8 years in the top 10, and 2 of those years they were third.
    In that time, only ONCE have they been below midpack and that was two years ago when they intentionally blew up their roster in order to rebuild.
    Now they are once again midpack, with a shit ton of young talent, and room to renegotiate to keep guys as they develop and their market increases.
    I'm a died-in-the-wool Cards fan, but you're a nutcase if you think the Cubs aren't doing exactly what they should be to try to build long-term success.:deal
  17. wxwax

    wxwax Excited Member

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    Huh. Theo Epstein isn't known for being cheap. You don't think he'll get permission to spend money when he thinks he needs to?
  18. TheProphet

    TheProphet Retired; Living the Dream

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    Cubs are doing a fantastic job of recruiting and building. 2015 was a fluke, they realistically shouldn't have gotten as far as they did. But... they couldn't just fold, they had to ride it out. The final series with NY bought out the errors and mistakes of youth, and the various holes that need to be plugged. I have no doubt that Management knows what they are doing, and will repair what is needed. Compare this year to the last three or so.

    Cubs Management are aware of the pitching deficit, and are working on it in the offseason. Meanwhile, plenty of youthful talent, and good management all 'round.

    Look for them in the World Series in 2017.

    2016 is still a building block year. Likely they will make the playoffs once again, but not the WS.

    Purchase your 2017 WS tickets asap. :clap
  19. Geoff

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    Reposted for emphasis...

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  20. Shaft

    Shaft counting my blessings

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    Fuck!!


    I sure hope crow don't taste near as bad as they say.


    :lol3