2016 DAKAR "Cliffnotes" (lifeboat)

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  1. barrier

    barrier Says who?

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    Someone mentioned re seeding!
    That ain't going to happen today.
    That's the whole idea of the prologue to seed yourself!
    If Laia has finished 108th then that is where she will start.
    I think re seeding is to reduce the danger when a top rider finds them self down the order through no fault of their own. I don't think it would be fair on other riders if it was applied after today's stage.
    Could be a difficult day for her tomorrow but I bet she comes through it with a dusty smile! I'm sure Ted will take up the challenge of scrutinising pictures of Laia after tomorrow!
  2. Deadly99

    Deadly99 Fast and Far

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    Her starting 108 (and assuming no reseeding) pretty much blows any chance at a podium.

    Only 11km, but 11 important km's :nod
  3. Bluebull2007

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    One thing we know for certain is that things are never quite as they seem in the Dakar. I'd have my money on her being re-seeded.
  4. Anders Green

    Anders Green NASA Rally Sport

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    Here's the thing: how are you going to set a proper start order when you have 300+ racers? They said about a third of the riders are first timers, who knows how fast they are? Oh, sure, they can TELL you how fast they are... they'll all think they should be seeded about 11th. ;)

    I've been in charge of trying to figure start orders for "only" 150 racers. It's not easy. You are given next to no history on them, and you often have no data that's directly comparable from one racer to the next. (Racer A took second in X series, Racer B took third in Y series)

    So this 11k section is actually an very FAIR (which is important) and easy to measure (from the oganizer's point of view) and easy to get the data from in a timely fashion (since the start and finish are pretty close to each other) method of getting a snapshot of everyone's speed potential. And then you get an entire night to set up the start order for the next day.

    Essentially, this is qualifying. But it counts. ;)

    Anders
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    Deadly99 Fast and Far

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    Means he will be fighting for the next 3-7 days just to get back to the front. Anything can happen but his odds of being on the podium just went down, way down
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    Anders Green NASA Rally Sport

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    re: 2 minute gaps:

    My guess is that this decision was "it's only going to use 15 minutes of the day, which is already an easy one. And it gets everyone in the right rhythm, and it keeps the operational procedures the same for every day."

    It's way easier to communicate "2 minute gaps for the priority riders, every day. EVERY DAY" than "oh, but we have an exception for the first day blah blah blah." It makes all the documentation easier for spectator guides, public schedules, safety schedules...

    That's my take as a rally organizer. :)

    Anders
  7. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    TP and Waulkner of in pos 15 & 16 tomorrow for SS2 (the last of the 2 minute start dust gaps)... as that turns out - probably just about ideal for pulling time up ahead to those that are opening the gravel tracks and laying down the fast lines... :nod
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    Helder earlier today.

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    DaveRMS reports in:

    Well, the boys are into the Parc Ferne by now. We're 44km into the service route now. Finally into the groove and it feels great. Of course, for their first Dakar, getting started the first day is the hardest part while still so many procedural unknowns. Now they will get into their groove too. Now it's just dirt bike riding, as Ian would say.

    On a personal note, I couldn't be more stoked to be here with my best riding buddy and two great riders and friends. We're having a ball, and it's just gonna get better, even as we overcome the obstacles to be thrown out way. Thanks Phil, for always having my back. Thanks Scott for trusting me to build our team together. And thanks, Ian, for the privilege and opportunity to try and get your fast young ass to the front of the pack!

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  9. BC61

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    With the preference of riders being not to open the stage there has to be an incentive for people to run hard during the prologue. The time given up today is minuscule in the grand scheme. They all ready gave the top riders the advantage today with a well burned in track. Bad day today is no ones fault but the riders and it's theirs to overcome.
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  10. troy safari carpente

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    17:20 : Barreda and Faria tied for the win!
    Joan Barreda (Honda) showed his ambition from the get-go. The official HRC rider posted a time of 6'27', tied with Ruben Faria's (Husqvarna), and hit the ground running in his first outing for the world's biggest maker.While Barreda is all smiles, his teammate and fellow pretender to the overall crown Paulo Gonçalves came up short in the first stage. A series of mechanical problems forced Gonçalves to make several stops, pushing him to fiftieth place, one minute behind Barreda. Toby Price, sixteenth at 18' from the winner, also had a lacklustre start. Frenchmen Pierre Alexandre Renet and Antoine Meo took it easy in their first Dakar special, finishing 119th and 106th, respectively. Their fellow countryman Adrien Van Beveren pulled off an awesome performance in his first Dakar special, holding the best time for quite a while and finishing eighth in the stage.

    1 006 BARREDA BORT (ESP) HONDA 000:06:27 00:00:00
    2 008 FARIA (PRT) HUSQVARNA 000:06:27 00:00:00 00:00:00
    3 007 RODRIGUES (PRT) YAMAHA 000:06:30 00:00:03 00:00:00
    4 042 VAN BEVEREN (FRA) YAMAHA 000:06:31 00:00:04 00:00:00
    5 019 METGE (FRA) HONDA 000:06:35 00:00:08 00:00:00
    6 047 BENAVIDES (ARG) HONDA 000:06:35 00:00:08 00:00:00
    7 023 FARRES GUELL (ESP) KTM 000:06:36 00:00:09 00:00:00
    8 004 QUINTANILLA (CHL) HUSQVARNA 000:06:37 00:00:10 00:00:00
    9 005 SVITKO (SVK) KTM 000:06:38 00:00:11 00:00:00
    10 011 VILADOMS (ESP) KTM 000:06:40 00:00:13 00:00:00
    11 018 BOTTURI (ITA) YAMAHA 000:06:41 00:00:14 00:00:00
    12 027 ARANA (ESP) HUSQVARNA 000:06:42 00:00:15 00:00:00
    13 009 CASTEU (FRA) KTM 000:06:43 00:00:16 00:00:00
    14 022 PIZZOLITO (ARG) HONDA 000:06:43 00:00:16 00:00:00
    15 014 WALKNER (AUT) KTM 000:06:44 00:00:17 00:00:00
    16 003 PRICE (AUS)

    17:37 : No pressure for Loeb
    Despite having all eyes on him, the nine-time world rally champion kept it cool in his Dakar debut. Sébastien Loeb finished the 11 km special in 6'17' after an uneventful start to the stage. With several favourites yet to cross the line, Sébastien Loeb is sitting in eighth place, tied with teammate Stéphane Peterhansel and his rival-cum-teammate in WRC, Mikko Hirvonen (Mini).

    1 311 TEN BRINKE (NLD), COLSOUL (BEL) TOYOTA 000:06:08 00:00:00
    2 303 SAINZ (ESP), CRUZ (ESP) PEUGEOT 000:06:11 00:00:03 00:00:00
    3 320 PONS (ESP), TORLASCHI (ARG) FORD 000:06:12 00:00:04 00:00:00
    4 300 AL-ATTIYAH (QAT), BAUMEL (FRA) MINI 000:06:13 00:00:05 00:00:00
    5 322 DABROWSKI (POL), CZACHOR (POL) TOYOTA 000:06:13 00:00:05 00:00:00
    6 304 ROMA (ESP), HARO BRAVO (ESP) MINI 000:06:15 00:00:07 00:00:00
    7 315 HIRVONEN (FIN), PERIN (FRA) MINI 000:06:15 00:00:07 00:00:00
    8 301 DE VILLIERS (ZAF), VON ZITZEWITZ (DEU) TOYOTA 000:06:17 00:00:09 00:00:00
    9 302 PETERHANSEL (FRA), COTTRET (FRA) PEUGEOT 000:06:17 00:00:09 00:00:00
    10 314 LOEB (FRA), ELENA (MCO) PEUGEOT 000:06:17 00:00:09 00:00:00
    11 321 DESPRES (FRA), CASTERA (FRA) PEUGEOT 000:06:17 00:00:09 00:00:00
  11. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    As Myway and Mischa (gold f5 stars to both :D:D) both correctly point out, todays "LEG 0" liason stage from Beunos Aires to Rosario bivouac (including the 11 km Prologue selective stage) is a bit of an anomoly (for those that cant remember back to the euro starts in the Africa DAKARS of yore).

    Sundays stage is referred to in the official itinerary as Stage 1.
  12. Deadly99

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    Leg "0" Recap

    Long transit, short special (11km)

    Perhaps the most important kilometers of the race. It would seem everyone rode wot today on the short prologue. Those that didnt gave up valuable placings.

    The top 15 bikes start tomorrow with 2 minute intervals. Getting into this group was vitally important for those with their sights set on the podium.

    Ms Sanz and Speedy shocked everyone with lack luster performaces (mechanical issues) and have put virtually put themselves out of the running. Quite a shock and let down to their legions of fans. Speedy was a favorite for the overall and Laia a favorite amongst all fans.

    BamBam, not surprisingly risked it all for a stage win. An odd choice of tactics albeit predictable given his all or nothing strategies he has used unsuccessfully in previous Dakars.

    The rest of the predicted top racers all finished well, the pack of fast, young racers and the seasoned veterans.

    In the cars the competition is fierce. Toyota, Mini and Peugeot are all in the top placings today. The Gordini's didnt fare as well but RG is still in the hunt. The young Gordini driver got his first stage under his belt and has hopefulky shakin off his gitters and will go on to gain experience stage by stage. All eyes were on the Pugs and they didnt disappoint, all 4 are in the top ten.

    A nice warmup for fans and racers alike. The first real stage starts tomorrow. As the saying goes, "no one wins the race the first day but several lose". Today's lived up to this as two very notable bike racers and favorites for a top ten (maybe even the podium) start way back tomorrow and will face days of dust and risky passes to claw their way back to the front runners.
  13. yardracer

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    Friends,
    Today we had the appetizer of the Dakar 2016, a small prologue that defined the order of departure. I didn't get on the right foot, I felt some problems on the bike and I chose to slow down the pace. The Real Dakar starts tomorrow and that's where we need to be always well and no problems. I know that this will be a dakar extremely difficult, we have a huge number of riders with the goal to win, but both I and the team honda hrc in prepared well and we're going to fight, that's what I can promise in this edition of ‪#‎dakar2016‬ .
    Stay tuned!
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  14. beechum1

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    C5N (live feed) reporting 8 spectators injured, 3 "gravely" injured. Nothing further yet.

    EDIT: http://www.c5n.com/#/home

    Showing Car 360, turned over and hit spectators
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    The year BC61 and I were there, our first stage was also very short, and with dust and spectators and everything else, it was hectic to try and make any passes or time. So, looks like Ian made some good tracks, as did CR, can anyone who is good at Brodomath figure out how many those guys passed physically on stage? Same must be true for Ricky B, and I'm guessing Scott Bright played it pretty safe.

    Deadly, thanks for the summary post. I'm going to go read what I can on Speedy and Ms Sanz, WTF?
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    Ruben Faria via Dakar.com
    "I'm 41 and going strong"

    [​IMG]"It was a short stage, not really a Dakar special. I went fast, but I still don't know if I won again or not. It was interesting to put the motorcycle through its paces: everything went smoothly with the engine, the suspensions, the shock absorbers and the tyres. It's quite good to start in the top six tomorrow. I'm 41 and going strong, Husqvarna trusts me, I'm off to a good start."
  19. cvlighthouse

    cvlighthouse keep it in your pants!

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    19:17 : Accident on the prologue
    There has been an accident at km 6.6 of the prologue's special, with car no. 360 veering off the road and hitting four spectators.The organisers immediately deployed all resources available to the site of the accident: four medical helicopters, three medical vehicles belonging to the organisers and eight local ambulances.Injured individuals are likely to be swiftly taken to hospitals in the area following an initial medical evaluation by the organisers' medical teams on the site.The race directors immediately decided to neutralise the race. The remainder of the trip to the Rosario bivouac will be considered a link section.
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    Good start of the race with my team, with a foreword by 11 miles and then a link that brought us to the city of Rosario, from where you're going out tomorrow the first stage. Ready and full of energy to start this great challenge, let's go with everything ✊✊ until tomorrow!!!

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