2016 DAKAR "Cliffnotes" (lifeboat)

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  1. dentvet

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    Too bad for Critter, at least he got to see the dunes.

    On the other hand, Brabec is quietly having a huge ride, best thing about HRC Dakar 2016, I'd say.

    Blythe appears to love the dunes and Smith, too.
  2. Resist

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    In my books I have these guys still in the loose:
    146 JULIAN (ARG)
    111 ESPINASSE (FRA)
    116 CORK (GBR)
    39 ENGEL (CZE)
    115 ESPAÑA MUNOZ (AND)
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    TVP moto recap, changed piston with metge. "To not get a penalty, changed the piston with his WC."
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    RM/ From Previous
    DSS 0
    WP1 47.2 47.2
    WP2 105.1 57.9
    WP3 136.2 31.2
    WP4/CP1 168.3 32.1
    WP5 198.6 30.3
    WP6 234.2 35.6
    WP7/CP2/Fuel 250.2 16.0
    WP8 314.3 64.1
    CP3 355.3 41.0
    WP9/CP4? 397.2 41.9
    ASS 431.0 33.8
  7. beechum1

    beechum1 Dandole Gas al Burro

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    Waiting to hear Nick Harris....
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    Leon Jansen added 5 new photos — with Ran Hendriks and Andre Thewessen.
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    Tijdens de rustdag in Salta hebben we de remmen van onze Amarok aan de voorzijde vervangen. De dag erna direct remmen inclusief behuizing voor de achter remmen ...

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    During the day of rest in salta, we have the brakes of our amarok on the front replaced. The next day directly brakes including housing for the rear brakes bought at a local vw dealer. With half the braking force then drove on the internship, towards the pass place of hr productions, where we were spontaneously help of André Thewessen and Isaac Schouten. The Gentlemen had fun though in order to replace our brakes! Just great!
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    Everyone wants to know what's happening tomorrow, where will the 11th stage pass through? It will be La Rioja to San Juan, alot of sand alot of fesh fesh, also straights, some (rip rap, look it up) and rocks, beautiful parts, 431KM of SS for all the categories. 281KM of link. First bike expected at 1300 (GMT-3). (part of town called) Jaran de Octavo (I think he said) To the beautiful mountains of Talampaya, Hills of Fertile valley, Jachal River. We will surely have gorgeous landscapes tomorrow.
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    A dream hatched in Vic comes true in Rosario for Marc Solà

    There is still lots of space left on his CV, but a 23rd place at the last Rallye du Maroc and a 3rd place at the Baja Aragón earned him the right to play with the big boys at the Dakar. The young rider from Vic has no regrets.

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    Back in his region, everyone seems to end up dabbling in motor sports sooner or later. In Vic, Catalonia, one can never be far from Juan Manuel González "Pedregá", Jordi Arcarons, Nani Roma, Marc Coma and many others. Marc Solà has a humble objective: to learn and discover the Dakar, a race he has long dreamt about. The lanky rookie, a protégé of the Catalan rally raid elite, is spellbound by the rally. Even a heavy fall during the second day of the marathon stage between Salta and La Rioja left him unfazed. "I fell hard this afternoon. I hit a large stone. It happened about 40 km before the refuelling zone neutralisation. My right foot hurts like crazy…" No pain, no gain. Anecdotes are also a source of experience. The first part, raced on Tuesday, showed him just how fast things can change: "I had a problem with my tank. I mended it as well as I could, but I ran out of petrol just 12 kilometres before the end of the special. I asked passing riders for help. Cristian España, from Andorra, stopped to help!" The sheer amount of navigation he faced in the second part, which he completed on Wednesday afternoon, showed him a whole new world of adaptation and focus, as well as struggling when the trucks plough up the tracks or the drainage channels. "But I'm having the time of my life", he smiles.
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    2016 Dakar: Mixed Results for Yamaha's Riders as They Battle the Fiambalá Dunes
    In today's tenth Dakar stage the Yamaha riders left Belén’s isolated bivouac to complete the last half of the second marathon stage, which saw mixed results. Yamalube Yamaha Official Rally Team’s Hélder Rodrigues did well on the route to La Rioja through the famous and redoubtable Fiambala dunes and crossed the finish line in seventh position, whilst teammate Alessandro Botturi faced some difficulties on the track, ultimately resulting in a DNF. Yamalube Yamaha Junior Rally Team's Adrien Van Beveren achieved his goal and ended up within the top-9 of the stage results. His fellow Junior rider, Xavier De Soultrait was not so lucky and was forced to withdraw from today's stage.

    The tenth stage of the Dakar Rally was characterised by its unusual starting order, mixing the leaders of each category; motorbikes, quads, cars and trucks set off together for the first time in Dakar history. The new format made the rally's spectacle even bigger and added one more difficulty for the riders, who had to make their way on unfamiliar tracks alongside competitors they never race against and usually only meet in the bivouac.

    Because of the previous day's storms, the stage departure was delayed to later in the morning and the arrival was relocated to a point thirty kilometres before the initial finish line due to a rio being flooded 244 kilometres into the stage, preventing any Dakar participants from passing.

    Another challenge that the riders faced today was the essential need to preserve the machines through off-piste desert route, dunes and altitude to complete this last steps in the Dakar competition before setting out for Rosario in the final stage.

    Yamalube Yamaha Official Rally Team's rider Rodrigues was one of today's front-runners and did well to sign off today's stage in sixth position. Despite suffering minor injuries after his fall in yesterday's marathon stage, he gave his all to keep his ranking position whilst minimising the gap to the race leaders; he is still seventh on the overall timesheet.

    Teammate Botturi had a more difficult time on the tenth special, as he ran into some issues caused by the heat in the dunes. He was unable to reach La Rioja's bivouac and had to drop out of the competition.

    Yamalube Yamaha Junior Rally Team's Van Beveren stood out on the leading board and once again confirmed his great performance as "Dakar rookie". He completed today's stage well, avoiding mistakes and preserving his bike to get to the finish of the shortened special in ninth position. Yamaha is glad to have the junior realising performances that exceed their already high expectations for his first Dakar Rally participation. Van Beveren currently holds tenth in the overall classification.

    After an encouraging result on yesterday's stage, fellow junior rider Xavier De Soultrait found himself in a delicate situation on the tenth stage. He lost a filling plug, which resulted in technical difficulties. Despite his best efforts and positive energy, the Frenchman was forced to withdraw from the stage. It's the end of this year's Dakar adventure for De Soultrait but not his last; the junior already promised to come back stronger next year.

    In the quad category, the Patronelli family adjusted their tempo and were beaten by their rival of the day, the South-African Baragwanath. Marcos and Alejandro completed a safe race and kept everything under control to rank in second and third position on the stage. The brothers stay on course as 2016 Dakar's leaders: Marcos ranks first with one minute and thirty seconds over Alejandro in second place. They are both in a comfortable situation with a one hour thirty four minutes gap to their rival, the Argentinian Jeremias Ferioli Gonzalez, who is also competing on a Yamaha Raptor 700.

    Tomorrow the difficulty will remain the same as the riders venture out on a terrain made of sand and heavy fesh-fesh. Dexterity, patience and speed will be the watchwords of the upcoming eleventh stage.

    To track the Yamaha's riders during tomorrow's eleventh stage, click HERE.

    Additionally, you can follow Yamaha's progress in the Dakar Rally HERE and click HERE for more imagery of Dakar 2016.

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    Hélder Rodrigues, Yamalube Yamaha Official Rally Team
    7th / +00:12:01, 6th / +00:56:17
    "I had great pleasure riding my WR450F Rally in the dunes. Yamaha's crew did a good job as the bike made the distance from yesterday's marathon stage in Belén to today's arrival in La Rioja. It was hard for me today, I completed the race with much pain due to my fall in yesterday's stage. I will take care of this injury and rest tonight; there are a few more stages to complete and everything could happen in those last Dakar stages. I am 100 per cent focused and confident for the finish."

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    Alessandro Botturi, Yamalube Yamaha Official Rally Team
    "It's difficult to accept but the race is over for me. I had a hard time on the Dakar, especially because of the wrist injury I was suffering from in the competition, but I kept fighting to carry Hélder Rodrigues to the end, but I got stopped on today's Fiambala dunes, where I encountered a technical problem. There was nothing I could do to fix it, which is the rule on the Dakar and I knew it could happen. I'm thankful for Yamaha's support this year again. I count on a comeback next year."

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    Adrien Van Beveren, Yamalube Yamaha Junior Rally Team
    9th / +00:18:01, 10th / +01:21:55
    "The last two days were tough and exhausting! But I am glad I joined La Rioja's bivouac with my WR450F Rally in good shape. This second week on the Dakar, the stages are mainly focused on navigation, with typical rally-raid routes, and all I wanted was to avoid mistakes and cross the finish line. I'm focused on this goal and I won't give up until Rosario. At the same time I have the satisfaction of getting good results. I'm really enjoying Dakar so far."

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    Xavier De Soultrait, Yamalube Yamaha Junior Rally Team
    "It is obvious that I'm disappointed; I had a hard time this year on the Dakar. I made a bad start to the Prologue and had to double my efforts stage after stage to climb up in the classification. Yesterday I was really happy with my result and I thought I was on route for a good finish in Rosario… Ultimately I had to give up on the stage today, as I ran into some technical issues that I was not able to fix myself. It's a sad turn of events but it is the Dakar Rally, the toughest race of the world. I would like to thank Yamaha for their support on this year's Dakar journey. I will be back stronger next year."
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    Yes. Another possible consideration especially in this area is the limitations of the database that is generating the scoring. To "force" the time of a stage to something other than it really was, you would have to put in "fake" finish times. This would work, in that it would then calculate the time that you want, but it then destroys the integrity of all the scores as a record of what actually happened. It turns out THAT is pretty important too, it can be used as cross referencing data in the adjudication of later penalties for other riders, and in future years it's used as an analysis of speed profiles of the stages for planning, which gets used in all sorts of infrastructure things like "how long to we have to keep staff at CP3 before we know no one else will be coming in?"

    So you usually don't want to go down the "just put in the fake time of day into the software that will give us the score we want to award this racer" which leaves only the penalty area of the database to make "custom adjustments".

    It's possible to build software that has a "double entry" or "stage override" capability which would let you assign a stage time without nullifying the integrity of the stored data. It's very unlikely that the ASO would do this though.
    1) Do we have lots of evidence of really awesome software from these guys? *grin*
    2) This is an edge case that doesn't effect who wins. The people that win... they're going to have the nice clean times. They're running at the front, where everything is going smoothly, before the wacko accidents happen. So to get the winner right, the software doesn't need to have this extra complication of double entry.
    3) The people architecting the databases are not rally racers. They're "regular people" and so rare cases like this don't even register. ("Rare" to a software developer means "it didn't happen that one time I looked." ;) )
    4) We would be seeing it if they had it.

    You can build software to do anything. But custom software is also one of the most expensive things on the planet. So you'll put your dollars and effort toward the features that are important to you. Stuff that mostly affects the backmarkers won't get the dollars. I used to be in software development where we would quote incoming projects, and I've written a rally scoring software system myself. Between those two I'd estimate that Dakar's scoring system probably cost between $120,000 to $300,000 to build. That's just the software cost.

    So when force majeure situations like this come up, watch the penalty column carefully. ;)

    Anders
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    85 111 Espinasse (FRA) Huqsvarna 009:57:38 07:05:41
    9 H57mn38s It's the time spent on his motorcycle by Sylvain only on the special. Or 07 h05mn41s more that the winner of the stage.... Where many will have put feet on the floor.. Did you do it no more....... And no more... And the not....; And the.....; If this is not the will!!!!!! Simply Sylvain we're proud of you.... Few of us would have done what you just did. All you gotta do what has to return to bivouac...... 300 km.... A Straw.
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    That 3rd step on the podium is going to be a real battle (assuming the first 2 are safe and in the Dakar nobody is ever safe) - around 3 mins between the 3 of them with Helder 10 mins back!!:clap:clap:clap

    Speedy out of contention with that time "penalty"?

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    From Facebook: basically he got heat exhaustion, got lost, couldn't reach the organizers, activated his beacon, and got told by the helicopter that he had to go with them, and be disqualified. Meanwhile, other, slower riders get to continue.

    IMHO, not fair.

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    Buenos días amigos, pues no ha podido ser.... Estoy fuera de carrera y aún no puedo creerlo.
    Una suma de cosas han hecho q a pesar de querer seguir no me dejaron. A 40 kms del cp2 final de ayer, me desvié de la pista q estaba mal para las motos. Me detuve a descansar y los 50 grados hicieron q no supiera si estaba a la derecha o a la izquierda de la pista. Intenté hablar varias veces con organización a través del iritrack para q dijeran como retomar y este, no funcionaba... Seguí pero tenía poca gasolina.... Como eran valles no veía ni oía nada, tuve que activar la baliza y al llegar el helicóptero, le dije al director Ethiebe q estaba bien, que tenía problemas para contactar con la organización y solo necesitaba retomar la carrera. No me dejò, insistí y solo tuve la opción de subir al helicóptero.... Salir así de la carrera es una putada. Hay muchos pilotos q hoy continúan que ayer solo llegaron al cp1.
    Estoy bastante desanimado la verdad.
    Gracias a todos.

    Good morning friends, well, it hasn't been able to be.... I'm out of the race and still can't believe it.
    A sum of things they have done q despite wanting to continue they wouldn't let me. 40 km from the cp2 end of yesterday, I went out of the track was bad for the bikes. I stopped to rest and 50 degrees made q I didn't know if I was to the right or to the left of the track. I tried to talk to several times with the organization through iritrack to tell u how to take this, and it didn't work... I followed but I was low on gas.... As they were valleys haven't seen or heard anything, I had to activate the beacon and when you get the helicopter, I told the director ethiebe q was fine, he had problems to contact the organization and I just needed to pick up the race. He wouldn't let me, I pushed and I only had the option to go up to the helicopter.... Get out of the race, so it's a bummer. There are many pilots q today continue to that yesterday just arrived at the cp1.
    I'm pretty bummed out the truth.
    Thank you all.
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