2016 DAKAR "Cliffnotes" (lifeboat)

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  1. yardracer

    yardracer stubborn cow

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    From Camelia Liparoti

    Second part of the marathon stage today after a stop last night at the closed park, with no possibility for the competitors and their assistance (which have all gone directly in Uyuni) to work on the vehicles. This morning Camelia ranked 23rd in the overall standings, after ranking 25th in yesterday's stage Jujuy - Jujuy. She seems to have temporarily found her bearings in this ranking, demonstrating her potential when the race hardens, evidenced by her place at the gates of Top 15 today in the very difficult stage leading competitors to Uyuni in Bolivia. The day was long, with a special of 328 km and a crossing at 4580 meters at kilometre 216. At this altitude, the human bodies are strained and the engines are short of breath, losing 10% of their power for each 1000 meters. Do the math! Camelia, accustomed to long runs in the mountains as much as to the extreme ski sessions does not suffer from the altitude sickness that affects some riders. She traces her route by providing her Yamaha Raptor 700 of which its engine is strictly standard, in order to maintain the maximum reliability (at the expense, it's true, of the maximum speed) because she does not benefit from having a co-quad-bike rider, such as many of the top riders do. It is therefore essential to ride fast, but with some reservation. A balancing act to which Camelia is accustomed to and which is her strength. The Dakar is an elimination race and the second week looks challenging. We must therefore ensure that, while staying in contact with the all the group of competitors. And for now, Camellia is true to her strategy and to her riding.
    Tomorrow, a big day is in prospect with the longest stage of this 38th Dakar (542 km) in addition to a 181 km transfer. The riders will advance between 3500 m and 4200 m, on a changing course between earth and sand, requiring constant changes of pace. This promises ...
  2. clearandlock

    clearandlock Been here awhile

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    Yes My Pavey, but you are born of legend and a much better rider than me....

    Just saying I saw your dad after day 2 and he was hammered, we were lucky in hindsight that they closed the stage and that was due to temps 10 degrees over what they might have been, 10 degrees was the margin of cancelation on the stage, that is a harder day 2 start than this year for certain.

    Year before Canon gate + altitude, when the security of the race got away from the organisers so much so they closed the stage (at least for us).

    That seems to be more on the limit Dakar than we have seen this year.

    I do really hope chile comes back though there is something romantic about that drop from desert to the sea.

    i think the daily retirements tells the story. The 2 years prior where similar.

    I just want the guys that can navigate to shine, especially at the front end of the race, I love when you see the leaders search for the route, riding in circles until they find it.

    I was gutted for Sam when he went astray last year but navigation is the craft of this race.
  3. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    SS5 - Third win for Loeb, 1-2-3 again for Peugeot

    Already the winner of two stages on his first Dakar and leader of the general standings in front of the rally's specialists, Sébastien Loeb continued his progress on this 38th edition. He picked up another victory today and also extended his lead in the general standings. Behind him, Carlos Sainz and Stéphane Peterhansel gave a second consecutive 1-2-3 to Peugeot. In the bike category, Toby Price won on completion of a perfectly ridden stage, climbing up to third in the general standings.
    If he carries on like this, he will make them really angry… Whilst to date the victories of Sébastien Loeb were fairly logical given the profiles of the WRC type stages, today the nine times world champion and his loyal co-pilot Daniel Elena demonstrated that they had what it takes when it comes to navigation. Of course, setting off behind the experienced Peterhansel and Sainz, the inseparable duo were not completely left to their own devices. However, they still had to show that they were capable of following the pace.

    In fact, it was Loeb who set the pace throughout the day. Behind him, his team-mates Sainz and Peterhansel exchanged virtual second place several times, before the Spaniard grabbed it on the finishing line. At the end of the stage, he beat the five times winner of the event by 2'38''. Behind the 3 Peugeots, Nasser Al Attiyah (Mini) did what he could, but once again had to resign himself to the domination of the DKR 2008. Efficient and powerful, at the end of this first marathon stage the “Lions” have also demonstrated they are reliable, which will not be any consolation to the Qatari… In the general standings, Loeb now boasts a lead of 7'48'' over Stéphane Peterhansel and 13'26'' over Carlos Sainz. Al Attiyah (Mini) is more than 14 minutes behind and must be asking, like many others, just how far can Sébastien Loeb go?

    “We have no chance against the Peugeots”

    “It's unbelievable! Yesterday and today never have I pushed in my life like this. If you ask Matthieu, he will say that we drove at more than 100%. But we have no chance against the Peugeots, no chance. It's impossible, if the Peugeots don't stop, it's difficult to catch them. I say really well done to Peugeot, to the team because completing two marathon days without any technical problems is very, very impressive. Their team is working very, very well. From the first day until now, the Peugeots have won every stage. Yesterday and today I was pushing like hell, but I couldn't catch anybody from the Peugeot team. If you see the other competitors in 4x4s, some of them still haven't finished. But really, I am so impressed with Peugeot. I think the team are doing a really good job and testing since last year a lot. Well done to the team, well done to Peugeot. It's unbelievable. I know the buggy is fast everywhere, even on the top speed bits. The problem is that the Mini has not really improved in development. But we did what we could do, well done to Peugeot. I just need to concentrate on my job now”.


    It sounds to me like Nasser is already putting on the gracious loser overall... and reaching for his cheque book... TSC :brow:nod
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    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    SS5 - moto wrap up

    Third last year, Toby Price has given the KTMs a second wind. Leading at all the intermediate points throughout the day, the Australian outclassed his rivals. Antoine Méo, second on the special, also enjoyed an excellent day. On his first experience of the Dakar, the five times world enduro champion is showing day after day that he is a very, very fast learner. Following on from the Frenchman, Stefan Svitko's and Matthias Walkner's performances meant that KTM grabbed the first four places. In the general standings, Gonçalves, finishing back in twelfth place today, 8 minutes behind the winner, retains the lead of the rally, 1'45'' ahead of Svitko and 1'47'' in front of Price.

    Quads:

    In the quad category, the day was marked by a tidal wave of misfortune that washed away some of the leading lights. Between crashes and mechanical problems, there were many withdrawals. Brazilian rider Marcelo Medeiros, Qatari Abu-Issa, Poland's Rafal Sonik, the title holder, and Chilean Ignacio Casale have all exited the race this evening. Alexis Hernandez, the day's winner, takes control of the general standings, 48 seconds ahead of Alejandro Patronelli and Sergei Karyakin.

    Nicolas Monnin determined to finish!
    Halted for an hour after 198 kilometres, the Swiss KTM rider seems to be fairing better. Having suffered from altitude sickness, he stopped to recover. He has resumed racing, with the goal of finishing the stage.
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    Balkan Boy Long timer

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    Somebody said it a few pages ago that Nasser has a Peugeot on order already.


    He is clever, though. This statement earned him a discount or at least a foot in the door.
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  6. ferals5

    ferals5 Grumpa

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    his bike might have a name ... I've heard some people do that :getiton
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    2016 Dakar Stage 5 UPDATE at FINISH

    1. Loeb
    2. Sainz +22s
    3. Peterhansel +3m
    4. Al-Attiyah ++3m7s
    5. Poulter +6m7s

    8. ROBBY GORDON +9m20s
    32. SHELDON CREED +46m47s

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  8. yardracer

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    It has overcome the challenge of piloting a 4600 meters in the outcome of the marathon stage.The KH-7 has shot to the rhythm of the most competitive drivers and has finally been twenty, just over a minute of the top 15.In stage four, the Barcelona was relocated to 15th after the organization will return 35 minutes in compensation for the time he was detained helping an injured pilot.E5 Dakar16 Laia 1Laia Sanz has recovered the pulse of the race after yesterday's episode in which he sacrificed a great stage to help the injured pilot Pela Renet. Today, on the fifth day, between San Salvador de Jujuy (Argentina) and Uyuni (Bolivia), which will go down in history as the most especially altitude (4600 meters) in 38 editions of the Dakar, the pilot of KH-7 He has maintained the type and lapped with solvency within the first 20.At the end of the second part of the marathon stage, and after 327 kilometers with very fast sections, the 17-time world champion crossed the finish line in twentieth place, at 12'37 "of the first, his partner in the KTM Rally Factory Team Toby Price. Laia has withstood the challenge of high, despite running "almost all day with a headache and fatigue notice more", as explained. His times were very even those of the most competitive drivers Dakar and in the end he has distanced himself in just 1 minute and 20 seconds in 4 minutes 15 and top 10."The truth is that I thought would have finished in the top 15 because I've done quite well, but it is clear that in these stages so fast, the differences are minimal and can stay behind for very little. The most important thing is that we saved marathon stage, the bike is perfect and I have not lost much time, "he says. The KH-7 still biding his time, knowing that the hardest is yet to come: "Although the rally is now in its fifth day, this year we have not seen any real difficulty still have to go through things and secure. they will. The second week will be harder and hopefully get there well positioned ".In the overall standings, Laia Sanz occupies the 18th place at 25'43 "in the first two minutes of the fifteenth and tenth ranked twelve. Last night, the organization of the Dakar returned to Barcelona 35 minutes, most of the time who was detained helping Pela Renet, accident at kilometer 402. Thus, finally it consisted as ranking 15th in the fourth stage.The rally continues tomorrow with the running of the sixth stage, which will start and finish in Uyuni, with a long stage of 542 kilometers and link 181. "It will be a long and difficult day because we are between 3,500 and 4,200 meters" provides for the pluricampeona.
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    “50 kmph for around 100 km”

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  10. JMo (& piglet)

    JMo (& piglet) Unicorn breeder

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    News just in from Corky's Facebook page:

    Stage 04: Couldn't contain myself any longer - went into race mode. Sandy rocky pistes are good for me and I quickly overtook many riders. Then at full tilt the moose went and took the tyre off the rim. The tyre and mouse were trashed.

    I rode 70k on the rim battling with trucks - it was scary. Borrowed a wheel of a crashed Husky and made it back to the bivouac at 11:30pm


    Jx
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    Any precaution for this other than riding slower? More lube on mousse? Running a rimlock? (Or do they already?) Carry a tube and CO2 in case the mousse melts and cannot hold the bead?
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    JMo (& piglet) Unicorn breeder

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    It's difficult to say - sometimes you just get a bad one... which is why all the top riders (and more wealthy privateer contenders) tend to change them every day regardless.

    It's perfectly possible that on Corky's more modest budget, he elected to change his mousses (and tyres too) every other day for example?

    The compound effects of a lot of long liaison miles (at highway speeds on tarmac too) might well have started to see the mousse deteriorate, and once it starts to break down, it gets hotter and so the cycle continues.

    Of course this is only speculation as it certainly would have made sense to have a fresh tyre and mousse fitted prior to the marathon stage, so as I said initially, unfortunately he might just have got a duff one :eek:(

    Some riders carry a tube (and a couple of levers), but some don't. Also, depending on the circumstances of the tyre coming off the rim at speed, the bead itself might have been trashed anyway or the carcass split.

    Another option (which Llel's dad told me about many years ago) is to carry a handful of super heavy duty cable-ties, and use those to hold the tyre onto the rim (through the gaps between the tread blocks) to continue. It may not last indefinitely, but with care (and perhaps the odd replacement) it will get you to the end of the stage.

    Corky is a pretty good bodge-repairer, so I imagine he'd have exhausted all options before electing to continue on a bare rim.

    Jx
  13. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    I have been thinking about this...

    the only "incident" (other than the tractor pull) that I have heard anything about involving RG on the stages, was during SS3 where there was some mention of him finding an abbreviation in the route/making up some time via clever navigation.

    Maybe he got a penalty for that?

    Unless the SPEED team or the Orga/jury make a clearer anouncement of what the penalty was for... my guess is that it must be either of those things....

    there are a whole lot of time penalty issues that can be implemented under the Clerk of Course "discretion" also....

    so maybe it is yet another - as yet undisclosed issue? :ear

    I have looked on PlanetRobby and RaceDezert, but found nothing concrete.
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    yardracer stubborn cow

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    For tomorrow


    17:34
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    For yet another very difficult day of racing, the weather forecasts are not predicting any improvement with regard to the amount of precipitation. In fact, heavy rain is expected, which could severely complicate the task for the competitors still in the race. In light of the weather, the special around rather than through the Uyuni salt pans, missed by some, will most probably be appreciated by all…

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    Uyuni-Uyuni:
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    On completion of the first marathon, the competitors who made it this far on the 38th edition of the Dakar must have thought they would have some time to recuperate. Today they will not, because the programme includes quite simply the longest special of the rally around the salt pans of Uyuni, no less!
    Like yesterday, altitude will be one of the day's determining factors, because the special will take place between heights of 3,500 and 4,200 metres.
    There will be changes in pace as well as terrain that alternate between earth and sand. The trucks will have a special route and will “only” cover 295 kilometres of the special.
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    garfey Scruffy Adventurer Supporter

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    Hey! Beats paying a speeding "fine!"
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    yardracer stubborn cow

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    We're already in Bolivia! Very happy with the bike without problems and within the first 10 in general, which was my goal. Now to continue preparing things that tomorrow is the longest special dakar.. Thank you all for the support ️ to continue enjoying my dreams! ‪#‎Dakar2016‬

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    yardracer stubborn cow

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    Wonder what they're talking about...............................................

    9 time Rally world Champion And Dakar Leader Sebastien Loeb chatting with 2 time Dakar winner the prince Nasser Al Attiyah @Dakar end of stage 4

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    Rato Molhado Psiconauta del inconsciente

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    72 Ontiveros doesn't give up!

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    "An Argentinean rider comes towed by a fellow countryman... The towed one gets off the bike, he has broken it engine and can't continue... He is moved and with a hug says goodbye to his partner who risked himself towing him 12 km... I go near him but he is still "tearful"... 'This is the Dakar' he says... I don't know not even what to say... We notify to Papa Charly. I offer him water and food that keenly accepts, and a burguer I have just bought in a mobile stall -delicious-. Poor guy is demoralized, 'I don't evenknow if to start crying', he confess. 'You are young, Alberto –Alberto Santiago Ontiveros, Argentina-, you have many of Dakars in your future'. He cals his wife, and his father, which is part of his team... 'No one can tow you to Uyuni??' 'But there are more than 200 km... who is going to tow me that much?!?! My Dakar is over, old man' Many drivers, specially Argentineans, stops by when they see the bike and ask. He stands up and briefly explains, just one word, 'Engine', then they hug. He doesn't stop crying... I give him the GPS coords so his assistants can come to pick him up... But then sadness changes to excitement, for him and me. An Argentinean quad stops, a 4WD CanAm. 'What's up?' 'Engine, pal' 'Come on, fasten up that I'll tow you' 'But it's more than 200 km!' 'Come on, Alberto, I wont let you here' So he puts his helmet and ties his bike to the quad, with the "nasty and filthy" rope he used previously, a very beaten one. 'Are you sure? That rope won't hold and you'll fall' so I cut a rope Bolivian police used as limit 'This will work'. They told me they will put it later, and now an excited Alberto restarts his race. How touching! I was just a couple of hours with him and I felt my brother was leaving. I go hearing by radios every WP that there are passing 'A quad towing the #72 bike!!!!' These guys should reach Uyuni!!!!
    As you said before, friend Alberto: 'This is Dakar!!!!'
    Zorry for my brrroken Engresh xD

    Right now, 279 Bustamante has past WP7 at half the speed of other quads, so I guess he is still towing 72 Ontiveros :confused
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