2016 DAKAR "Cliffnotes" (lifeboat)

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  1. sidewayz_control

    sidewayz_control Been here awhile

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    Outside assistance and penalties...

    Ok catching up on the France 2, 3, 4... replays and since I do speak french I understand every word even tho they have a funny accent and they "frenchify" too many English words, much worse than us Québecois. Yes I'm a Canuck mixed with a few other nationalities. Eh!

    In the case of RG, we know that he did not get a penalty for being towed by the tractor, but if it had there would have been dozens of competitors that would get that penalty. The farmer was interviewed and during the clip you see him pulling half a dozen vehicles.

    I'm not aware what the specifics are of the Dakar rule regarding outside assistance but I'm pretty sure the interpretation is pretty much the same as in most other rallies like WRC and is directed at no outside assistance from a non competing team member or person associated with a team. In most rally championships being helped by spectators is not considered outside assistance (although not for the same reasons, here because of law-suit happy north america, outside assistance is slowly getting banned because of the scare of hurting a spectator and getting sued. Yes it happens).

    So outside help by the fans and spectators is part of the sport, getting helped by another competitor is part of the sport, getting help by a non competitive team member is not allowed, getting help by a suspicious spectator (team member disguised as a spectator)? that's up to someone to put in a protest and stewards and/or judge of fact to decide...

    This to me sounds logic when looking back at the prologue and day 2.

    Ivan
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    Taichi Honda, Team HRC Rally Project Leader
    "From the experience we had at last year’s Marathon stage, we have developed the 2016CRF450RALLY with durability always in mind. We are happy that the new CRF450RALLY has performed well in this first Marathon stage in 2016. Pleased with the performance so far, we set our eyes on the remaining eight stages and hope to keep the pace. We thank you all for the support and encouragement."

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    i can't read the japanese... but i can parse the photos!


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    #47 - KEVIN BENAVIDES (ARG) [HONDA]
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    #48 - RICKY BRABEC (USA) [HONDA]
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    Dakar 2016 Arrives in Bolivia; Rodrigues Breaches Into the Top 7 at Marathon Stage Day Two

    The second part of the marathon stage led the competitors from Jujuy to Uyuni, through the beautiful landscapes of Bolivia. Yamalube Yamaha Official Rally Team's Hélder Rodrigues returned to the top group on the leader board and brought his WR450F Rally to the bivouac in seventh position, whilst his teammate, Alessandro Botturi, finished in 20th position. Yamalube Yamaha Junior Rally Team's Xavier De Soultrait was also glad to be featured amongst the first nineteen riders again. Fellow junior-rider, Adrien Van Beveren, classified 27th for his first marathon stage ever.

    For the Dakar Rally's fifth stage, the Yamaha riders crossed the border from Argentina going into Bolivia to meet up with their assisting crew again in Uyuni's bivouac. They were welcomed to Bolivia by the very enthusiastic local population with a big crowd applauding the competitors along the side of the route all the way until the finish line. The second half of the marathon stage promised to be even more challenging, marked by an abrupt increase in altitude, as the riders climbed up to 4600m, the highest point in this year's Dakar Rally. The riders as well as the bikes were severely tested during the 642-kilometres of today's fifth stage. This special was also the first one based on navigation, adding extra difficulty.

    The instructions given to the four riders were to preserve the WR450F Rally units during the two marathon days, which are very demanding for the engines. The riders were asked to take special care with the tyres, as they were not able to change them from one day to another, due to the marathon format.

    Yamalube Yamaha Official Rally Team rider Rodrigues staged his comeback on today's stage and entered the Dakar Rally's top seven. It seems that the receding flu allowed him to score a better chrono as he chased the best overall riders.

    Alessandro Botturi handled the race well by slowing the pace and classifying in 20th place. Dakar rookie, Adrien Van Beveren, did the same and rode his WR450F Rally machine across the finish line in 27th position.

    Xavier De Soultrait fought his way back to the front group during the two marathon days. There was a smile on his face as he continued to climb up the Dakar overall rankings to finish in 19th position. The French rider has days full of hard work behind him and is growing in confidence.

    The marathon days saw a few retirements in the ATV category, but the two Argentinian riders, Alejandro and Marcos Patronelli kept their pace up aboard their Yamaha Raptor 700 and rode a good race as they spurted to the finish line in Bolivia. Alejandro Patronelli secured the third position whilst his brother Marcos took eighth place at today's fifth stage. They are now positioned second and fourth, respectively, in the overall classification.

    Tomorrow's stage consists of a loop, starting and ending in Uyuni. It will be a challenge for the Yamaha's riders, as it is the longest stage of 2016 Dakar. The riders will have to travel 723-kilometres whilst climbing in altitude from a starting point of 3500m to 4200m.
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  5. yardracer

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    The Dakar enters Bolivia with Paulo Gonçalves leading the race



    All five Team HRC bikes made it through the marathon stage which started out in the Argentine city San Salvador de Jujuy and finished in Uyuni, Bolivia. Paulo Gonçalves remains at the head of the overall standings with Barreda fourth.
    The good news is that for the first time since the Dakar 2016 began, riders were able to set off without waterproofs, the bad news was that another type of difficulty had replaced the bad weather: altitude. Today’s stage was battled out at average heights of over 3,500 metres above sea-level, enough to put the physiques of even the toughest riders to the test. To make matters worse, the recent days of easy navigating have come to an end and competitors can expect complications ahead. As is now habitual, the arrival of the entourage in Uyuni was nothing less than an all-out fiesta.


    At the end of yesterday’s stage Joan Barreda had the rug pulled from under him with another sanction, this time a five minute penalty for breaking the speed limit in a radar control. Race officials ruled that the new stage four winner was Team HRC sidekick Paulo Gonçalves and awarded Honda man Kevin Benavides the runner-up spot. Today, the same pair suffered the handicap of having to open the field for 327 kilometres while the pursuing adversaries were able to follow the correct tracks already mapped out by the front-runners.

    Joan Barreda, who set off from Jujuy in fourth starting position, was the best of the Team HRC bunch, conceding a total of 5’57 to the stage winner Toby Price. Portuguese rider Gonçalves, who was suffering from altitude sickness, likewise conceded 8’56 to finish in 12th.

    Ricky Brabec and Michael Metge posted virtually identical times, finishing with a 14 minute deficit from the stage victor. Paolo Ceci came in thirty seconds after Metge.

    Argentinean Kevin Benavides forges on as top rider of Honda South America Rally Team. Brazilian team-mate Jean Azevedo was forced to drop out of the race after stopping to help HSA Rally Team colleague Javier Pizzolito who had radiator issues. Azevedo had previously suffered a heavy fall in the first stage. Pizzolito finished the day in 40th place, while Frenchman Adrien Metge, took 39th.
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    Terence Marsh
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    Both of our South African built Nissan Navara's have managed to complete Stage 6 of the 2016 Dakar....but unfortunately not without issue!

    Jurgen and Daniel Schroeder crashed 10km before the end of the stage and took off a front right wheel....they subsequently lost a couple of hours repairing the car before limping into the finish.

    Sean Reitz and Riaan Greyling had another good stage recording their best stage result with 37th overall which now moves them to 51st overall in the event!

    It is going to be a long night for our race technicians as they go about repairing Jurgens car and preparing Sean's car for tomorrows Stage 6 of 723km.....

    The adventure continues....
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    I would guess there is more to it than that. Robby's been in the game long enough that just coming and running the course isn't enough. I think he has always been in it to win and he can see the writing in the sand. The era when any privateer, even with the resources that Robby brings to the table, can compete head on with the likes of Peugeot are coming to an end. It was one thing when he was bringing a unique design to compete against the turbo diesel 4wd Minis and a half effort from Toyota and other private designs like the bugley . Now he will be going toe to toe against the resources that Peugeot has at their disposal and a similar design. He came to prove that a Baja/stadium truck design is the best for Dakar. Unfortunately, it's Peugeot that is providing him right.
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    Nasser Al-Attiyah cruzó la frontera a Bolivia a toda velocidad. Llegó 4° en la etapa de hoy y busca acercarse a los punteros del @Dakar. #AxionXRaidTeam
    {translated} Nasser Al-Attiyah crossed the border into Bolivia at full speed. He came 4th in today's stage and seeks to approachDakar pointers. #AxionXRaidTeam



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    El #AxionXRaidTeam ya está en Bolivia y la gente lo celebró saludando a los autos al costado del camino.
    {translated} The #AxionXRaidTeam Bolivia is already in place and people waving to cars on the roadside.



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    El #AxionXRaidTeam dio muestra de su garra en una etapa donde la gran altitud y los dificiles senderos fueron un verdadero desafio
    {translated} The #AxionXRaidTeam evinced his claw at a stage where the high altitude and difficult trails were a real challenge



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    Nasser al llegar al vivac de Jujuy. Mañana se viene el paso de frontera con Bolivia hacia Uyuni.
    {translated} Nasser upon arrival at the bivouac of Jujuy. Tomorrow the border crossing comes with Bolivia to Uyuni.



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    @orlyterranova en el campamento de Jujuy, luego de finalizar la 4ta Etapa.
    {translated} @orlyterranova Jujuy in the camp, after completing the 4th stage.
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    @dakarrally @peugeot @csainz_oficial @lucas74cruz #bolivia #dakar2016 #rallyraid #rally #dakar @redbulldesertwings #redbull #peugeot #rallydakar #southamerica #mchphoto




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    The landscaoe around Jujuy is just amazing @dakarrally #rallyraid #dakar2016 #rallydakar #southamerica #argentina @joanbarredabort @rallyteamhrc #landscape #mchphoto




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    Leaving #argentina today @gchicherit @xraidteam @dakarrally #dakar2016 #dakar #rally #rallydakar #monsterenegy #toyotires #zebrabuggy #mchphoto
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    @kamaz_master won their first stage of many more today!! #Dakar2016 #desertwings


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    Congrats to @seb.loeb on another stage win! Sainz and Peterhansel share the podium and the 2008DKR dominates yet another stage! #desertwings #Dakar2016 #teampeugeottotal
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    Dakar passion begins at very young age. / La pasión comienza desde muy joven. #Dakar2016



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    Magnifique atmosphere after a hard Stage 5 / Magnífica atmósphera en la llegada de la Etapa5. #Dakar2016 #DakarBO



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    The smiles on the competitors are priceless. / Las sonrisas en los competidores son invaluables. Thank you / Gracias @boliviatravel1 #DakarBO



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    After 642km of cold, heat, rocks, sandy roads and lack of oxygen, she works on next stage with a smile. / Después de 642km de frio, calor, rocas, caminos arenosos y falta de oxígeno, trabaja en la próxima etapa con una sonrisa. @laiasanz_85 #Dakar2016
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    It was a dusty special. I rode really strong, caught Olivier Pain and other pilots but it was very dangerous and I decided to hold, my tyres being very worn.Wwe can all fit over an handkerchief. This year the rythm is very high, there is no navigation, it's very fast. We climbed to 4800 m and the Bolivians gave me coke leaves that really helped to endure the altitude. It's a bit like homeopathie (sp?)
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    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    :wave Day Six: my F5 wake up alarm clock...

    The eyes open to the sound of "la la-la lala Boliviaaaa... la la lalalala..." (the endless loop that tormented my sleep last night :twitch ).
    I rise, while simultaneously wiping a cyber-dust cornflake from the corner of one eye, and look at the red digits of the bedside table rally clock; 04:00 (Dakar time)


    I instinctively pull on my track pants (backwards :rofl) and wander over to the f5 desk... open the laptop master key, and the cyber DAKAR springs into life. Too many PM's and tweets, fb posts and e-mails to read right now... so I log on to the f5irehose to see where the f5renzy has taken us through the nightshift... Kaia tosses me the virtual reality keys to the insanity bus (thanks for a great job on the cliffnotes mate :clap:clap) I scratch my head, and I trundle off in the direction of the kitchen to kick the coffee pot into life...

    Good mornin' all and welcome to Day Six of the ADVRider F5 official coverage of the 2016 DAKAR Rally !!! :thumb:thumb:thumb

    Last night on the graveyard shift "we" :rofl discussed the possible reasons for RG's 1 hour penalty from SS2... the seeming invincibility of the PUG squad and their new wonder car (even though Mudboys one had an electrical gremlin that delayed him)... super Sebbe continued his dream team debut in fine style and had a chat with Nasser on the size of the Qatari wallet. :lol3

    Meanwhile ANNIE started after most had finished and battled across the Andes in the dark in true "epic Dakar" tradition.

    "We" discussed the grammatical pro's and con's of interview Pricey's linguistic double persona.... aaaaaand the usual wrap ups, photos discussions and mirth that go hand in hand with the f5 Dakar graveyard shift crew!!! :clap:clap:clap

    So now we turn our attention to todays SS6 special stage: UYUNI - UYUNI "loop" around the Salar d'Uyuni.

    It's gonna be.....

    ... wait for it...

    electrif5ying...!!! :D

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    Todays stage brief - (great work Garfey - thanks) :clap

    Stage 6: 8 Jan 2016
    Uyuni > Uyuni

    ref: http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2016/us/stage-700/day-s-route.html

    High Tension Loop - 1st MOTO Start: 07:00AM

    The longest special section of the Dakar takes place on the 6th day of consecutive racing. And that is not the only difficulty of this operation, which will take place between 3,500 and 4,200m in altitude. The pace and surfaces change constantly, alternating between sand and rock, which may be disconcerting, especially if it rains. Glimpses of the Salar de Uyuni are but one of the visual delights on the agenda. Meanwhile, the truck category, which will race separately on this 6th stage, will visit the home town of the President Evo Morales.

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    start 124 39 99 53

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    Car ................................... 180km .............................. 542km
    Truck ................................ 304km ............................. 295km
    Bike .................................. 180km ............................. 542km
    Quad ................................. 180km ............................. 542km


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    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    dakar.com preview SS6:

    16:59
    Uyuni-Uyuni: it's not over yet!
    On completion of the first marathon, the competitors who made it this far on the 38th edition of the Dakar must have thought they would have some time to recuperate. Today they will not, because the programme includes quite simply the longest special of the rally around the salt pans of Uyuni, no less!
    Like yesterday, altitude will be one of the day's determining factors, because the special will take place between heights of 3,500 and 4,200 metres.
    There will be changes in pace as well as terrain that alternate between earth and sand. The trucks will have a special route and will “only” cover 295 kilometres of the special.

    17:34
    Rain forecast
    For yet another very difficult day of racing, the weather forecasts are not predicting any improvement with regard to the amount of precipitation. In fact, heavy rain is expected, which could severely complicate the task for the competitors still in the race. In light of the weather, the special around rather than through the Uyuni salt pans, missed by some, will most probably be appreciated by all…

    Uyuni: a whole world around the salt pan
    Every day, a competitor taking part in the Dakar tells dakar.com visitors about the tourist and cultural attractions of the course of the day. Today, Danny Nogales (N°. 153), currently in 119th position in the general ranking, will show us around Uyuni and its region.
    This small Bolivian town welcomes the Dakar for the third consecutive year. Its well-known salt pan will once again be the focus of interest, although the region has other attractions, presented to us by Danny Nogales.


    For his first participation Danny Nogales has focused on the Tunari mountain range, 40 minutes away from his home town of Cochabamba. Training at over 4,000 metres will help him to avoid unpleasant surprises at Uyuni, where he discovered the famous Salar (salt pan) a few years before. “Ten years ago I crossed the Salar with my father and brother in a 4x4 to reach the mine at San Cristobal, where we had to do a job. Its immensity struck me, as did the light. We didn't know where we were and we got lost. However, it's the cold that really hits you, a really chilling cold. It really is a place to see.” Its length of 150 km and width of 100 km make the Salar at Uyuni the biggest salt desert in the world. It is a unique tourist attraction and a place where salt is - naturally - extracted (25,000 tonnes a year, with 64 billion tonnes in reserve). It is probably an unparalleled development factor for Bolivia because it holds one third of the lithium reserves of the planet.

    Perched up at 3,658 metres, with a hotel in the centre of its almost infinite space, the salt pan is a place that Danny Nogales recommends you to cross. “The area has several gold or silver mines, and viewpoints that are really worth the trip. As soon as I can, I'll bring my family for a visit. My idea is a 3- or 4-day circuit, to cross the salt pan and then carry on to another equally surprising area: the 'laguna colorada' (coloured lake)”. A nature reserve and the breeding grounds of the Andes flamingo, its 35-centimetre depth and the 60 square kilometres of its red waters make it another place worth discovering.
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    Just noticed this in the photo F5irehose ... What´s that ?! Does the orga carry riders clothes ?
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    I assume (due to the identical nature) it is the riders "marathon kit" - a standardized "gift bag"* provided to every rider with overnight essentials for the "marathon bivouac".

    *no really a "gift"... like hotel soap - you pay for it as art of the entry fee. :lol3

    But is intended that ALL riders have same support level (no outside assistance on marathon stage).

    In years past all recieved cute Bolivia wool beanies and ponchos... these look a lot more "high tech" backpacks.
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    *kartman* GO Bacon GO !

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    I´d really like to know what´s in them ....

    In the meanwhile I got a link for a nice PDF about Dakar history from 1979-2013, including all stages, winners, statistics ... 229 pages ! Have fun !

    http://netstorage.lequipe.fr/ASO/dakar/2014/historique/historique-dakar-1979-2013_us.pdf
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    some F5 pre-salar ramblings and speculation...?

    The expected forecast for rain could make the "loop stage" for SS6 around the salar d'Uyuni especially interesting. :deal

    (anyone gotta detail map and a weather forcast on hand...?) :ear

    As the dakar.com pre-view stated, the special stage this year (moto, auto and quad) does not cross the extremely acidic salt lake... but follows a course AROUND the perimeter.

    This means - I would expect - a lot off gullies, and crossings where water from the dry barren landscape flow to the salar. ie. lot's of erosion type features on the course.

    Couple the wet weather to the clay like earth that we saw last year on last years stage into Uyuni (remember Barreda slipped and broke his bars), then this could be tricky on the soap like surface + ditches and so forth.

    For Toby and Meo... they will be the pathfinders (landmine detectors?) on this stage... although their offroad enduro technique is amongst the best in the field (a multple Enduro World Champion, and a desert racer with an ISDE 2nd outright)... I expect it to be hard for them to maintain a lead on the stage, while breaking trail and navigating in these type conditions.

    Quint, barreda and Waulkner are in the best start seats today (pos. 6, 5 and 4) to make good time on the SS.

    In the cars... ?

    This will be (for me) a real test for Sebbe... a tough stage (we hope), testing conditions... and he has to "read" terrain, not just the road.
    If he can pull a win today... okay - he's convinced me - he can walk on water. :lol3

    Nasser has to try to keep the pressure on the PUG trio today... maybe they will slip... maybe something will fail... maybe?

    At the moment - all the media PR and press releases give the impression that the technical superiority of the PEUGEOT and "dream team" is invincible - but they still have to get the cars across the line... I hope today is a REAL DAKAR stage...

    In which case I expect Perfecthansel and Nasser to close up (from start pos. 3 &4)... also Giniel and Robby (in start pos. 7 & 8) will perhaps move up a couple positions on the road today.

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