2016 OFFICIAL DAKAR f5irehose - THANK YOU ALL F5 posters and lurkers!

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  1. Clancy

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    I'd almost guarantee that they wouldn't understand Duckworth - Lewis even if they did read the rules.
    We don't and we play the silly game:lol3:lol3:lol3
  2. wasabi46

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    Keep in mind he has not prima donna status in HRC therefore no saying, he doesnt quit... that is his nature, dont think as is HRC will let him do it and its not like he has a ton of sponsors to get a KTM and go racing (or that money for thaat matter)

    Having said that Toby is the man, just has to nurse the thing home and is off to a well deserved win

    ASO is in a very crappy place, they will get shait for CP1 and a lot of conspiracy. Me, I am way too pissed with what was done to my Dakar, I just like racing.

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    Good Morning guys !
    We just catched up the last 20 pages. We've got through pretty good. We made a couple of little misreads about the 330 site mark.

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    So are there some insider-info whether Gonc was able to change his engine ? I love it when it happens to pro riders on the marathon stage like it happened to JBB last year ^^
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  6. Gian

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    a very good (yesterday evening) analysis from bivouac journalist Elisabetta Caracciolo (if someone could help with a better translation than google...!):
    http://www.worldrallyraid.com/blog/2016/01/classifiche-da-chiarire-per-la-nona-tappa-moto

    The situation is very delicate. And to take a decision on the charts for motorcycles and quads just read the regulation, where, at the time, along with the team manager had been drawn up the rules necessary to address such situations.
    When the bivouac of Belen, which is located about 50 km from the bivouac marathon, the race direction is discussing with ASO. The idea is to give to all drivers, including those who arrived at the finish line of today's special, time found to CP2. But this is the wrong solution, as well as contrary to the rules of the Dakar itself.The times of riders that raced today and have reached the milestone were riconteggiati and things have changed a lot '. The competitors at the finish of the special did not hide their disappointment and now precisely because of this fact the situation is hot, even more considering the temperatures of Belen.Luc Alphand, a former skier and former pilot, that the Dakar has been working for French television said the CP2: "I was there with Botturi when he refueled and was preparing to leave for the last part of the special. They gave the go and exactly two minutes later came the order to block the special, but in the meantime he, and another good dozen drivers were divided. I can not even imagine the effort it has made it to the end with that swollen wrist. "These are decisions that are taking against any other international regulations, including the FIM rally raid. When a special is 'stopped out' for security reasons or for other reasons, riders who have not reached the finish line will be penalized and given them the time of the last rider passed the finish line, plus possibly a fixed penalty. And this rule is also included in the regulation of the Dakar 2016.Let's say tomorrow Toby Price who today won the entire special break his wheel, or mousse, just because it has nearly 100 more kilometers on his shoulders and on those of his KTM: in that case what will be decided to do?In addition, because cars and trucks were stopped at CP2? For them there were no complications, apart from the heat, and could reach the finish line. David Castera who know these places better than any other, at the bivouac, returned from the special, explained that between CP2 and the arrival there were no major difficulties. So ? How to justify these decisions, which at the moment have not yet been formalized but that circulate to the camp? In 1994, the Paris-Dakar-Paris car put us two days to finish a special at the time the battle was between Citroen and Mitsubishi. The latter finished the special and arrived at Noadibou, the Citroen turned back because 'someone' had told them that the special was canceled and they reached the bivouac via asphalt. When Mitsbishi arrived at the bivouac after over 36 hours of special stage the stewards told them that the stage had been canceled ... and then team manager Ulrich Bremher entire team withdrew from the race, accusing the then TSO's outrageous behavior .The situation here is very similar. If we want to talk about security do it. Nobody wanted that bike riders exhausted died dehydrated on the course, but in 2009 and in 2010 this same stage was made and finished by pilots, with an air temperature was around 55 degrees, compared with 42 today. What happened in the meantime to Dakar?

    EDIT TSC - I was going to retell exactly this story in the f5irehose in order to illustrate the inequity of yesterday's decision - which is against the FIA/FIM standard regulation rules - not to mention the "spirit" of DAKAR - in relation to the "first 12 motos" on stage 9. I am so glad that Elisabeth and Luc - (who I both have met on many occassion) made light of this - thank you Gian :clap for posting this. // Troy
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    How many are watching in front of,

    Sur France 4, entre 18h45 et 19h45, "Le Dakar" a rassemblé 831.000 amateurs de course automobile, soit 4,4% du public.

    They counted us, "we"?
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    So Speedy lost 32 mins on Toby yesterday, so is around 34 mins down all together.

    http://www.dakar.com/dakar/2016/docs/classements/CEM_10.pdf

    and starts (if he starts) 13th, so in the second wave (if that's how it works, although the start time for the top 10 still show 3 mins apart?) with many tracks to follow - assuming he can stay ahead of the field, which he may just be able to do?

    At the moment the format and position, or if Speedy will even start is not clear, I suppose we'll know in a couple of hours!
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    Cherry Ripes are not the only secret ingredient here. You need to add Chiko Rolls and vegemite.:-):hide Just ask TP
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  12. troy safari carpente

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    cheeko gets another F5 gold star :D for his ASO rule book savoir faire :clap

    It looks as though - as discussed last evening in the graveyard shif5t - that the clerk of Course has applied a "derived time penalty" for all riders except the 12 moto's that completed the stage - in order to create some semblance of a ranking/result, due to the abbreviated special stage and the fact that more than 90% of the field DID NOT FINISH:

    It appears that they have implemented some sort of "sliding scale" time penalty - instead of a fixed time penalty (same penalty time applied to all who failed to complete). This is a good compromis to give some semblence of ranking (without using a calculator, I would assume they applied some sort of "average" based on the riders ranking/previous stage position) and at least maintains the image of a bona fide "result list/ranking".

    With the exception of Goncalves (who was attributed with 13th place...? The highest of the "non-finishers" - yet he was towed with a broken engine TO CP2...?) the overall solution seems equitable enough I think.

    Gonk (or is it HRC) really came out of this shitfight smelling like a rose.

    well, it is what it is... now let's turn our attention to "the mix 'em up and run 'em over Le-Mans start" of SS10 shall we...?! :lol3:lurk:deal
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    That post from the journo above is exactly why I asked the question yesterday about whether it was only bikes and quads stopped at CP2 (and then CP1), or all vehicles. My logic was that if you are worried about competitors dehydrating/losing themselves etc at least in a car/truck you have co drivers with you to help/make decisions/contact organisers etc. It didn't make sense that they were stopping the cars and trucks too.
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    the day's route - stage 10 (thanks to yardracer :clap) TSC
    Fiambalá in style
    The Fiambalá dunes have become one of the decisive stages of the Dakar. This year, they feature at the heart of the most critical rally sequence, when drivers and their vehicles will have to demonstrate their aptitude for extreme endurance. Moreover, the day's stage presents the longest dune section in the shared history of the Dakar and Fiambalá, off-piste for most of the time. In short, an open door for desert specialists.This “super-special section” will be organised using an exceptional starting order: the ten fastest cars, the ten fastest motorbikes and the five fastest trucks will set off together, paving the way for the other competitors.

    Belen > La Rioja

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  16. troy safari carpente

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    Belen-La Rioja: more dunes on the menu...
    Although stage ten will take the competitors away from the dunes around Fiambala, they will not be leaving in a hurry. Indeed, the day's programme includes the highest mileage of off-piste rallying on the event, which will suit the desert specialists down to the ground. For the rest, they will just have to grit their teeth and hope that the heat does not add to the difficulty. As regards the bikes and the quads, they will have to try to look after the mechanical health of their machines until the end of the marathon stage if they want to reach Rosario. Finally, this 763-kilometre long day, including 278 kilometres of timed section, will be marked by a brand new type of start. The first ten cars will start at the same time as the fastest 10 bikes and leading 5 trucks, which promises to be a spectacular introduction to the day

    Chilecito: its mines and its own Corcovado...
    FOLLOW THE GUIDE…Every day, a competitor taking part in the Dakar tells dakar.com visitors about the tourist and cultural attractions of the course of the day. Today, Juan Rojo, who withdrew on stage 8, will show us around Chilecito and its region.

    Founded in February 1715, the city – the second biggest in the province of La Rioja – is about to celebrate its 300th anniversary. For Juan Rojo, Chilecito stands out for its mining past and for a giant statue of Jesus Christ inaugurated to celebrate religion and the 200th anniversary of Argentina.

    Dakar regulars know Chilecito well, with its ‘fesh-fesh' and 40-degree heat that test both machines and competitors. Juan Rojo, the youngest bike competitor in the 2016 edition, lives in this mountainous area, so pebbles and mountain tracks have been his companions during his preparations. “It's hard here, but it's good training for the rally, riding across these landscapes. For me, the most impressive thing is the view from La Mejicana, over an old gold mine at 4,600 metres above sea level. I went there for the first time with my parents, and I found it hard to cope with the altitude. I've got used to it now, which is great because it's a fantastic place for families in the area to walk around and discover.”

    Abandoned in the early 20th century, the construction of the mine involved a real masterpiece of engineering: a single-line cable car that runs for 35 kilometres with 9 stations and a 262-metre tunnel over a height difference of 300 metres. It was built between 1903 and 1905 to evacuate 12,000 tonnes of minerals a year (silver, lead, copper and gold) at its peak. The facility has been conserved as a national heritage site and is one of the greatest attractions of Chilecito. “In the main park in the centre there is also the ‘Christ of Portezuelo'”, explains Juan Rojo. “It is a gigantic sculpture, reached after climbing 200 steps in tribute to the 200 years of the nation…” The 17-metre-high statue, similar to the Christ the Redeemer of Corcovado in Rio de Janeiro, was erected in the city centre to celebrate the Proclamation of Independence in 1810 during the May Revolution. Full independence was finally achieved on July 9th 1816 at San Miguel de Tucumán.
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    I cannot believe we don't have someone somewhere with eyes in the bivouac and an iphone.
    Has Gonk had to change the engine (15 min penalty) or has he just done Piston/Barrel and head and risk reusing a head gasket and losing coolant on today's stage or do the water carriers have a backpack full of consumables, gaskets and piston/rings etc. Jeez the suspense is killing me.
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    Maybe we should ask Annie Seel?! she posted some pics out off the car bivouac....
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