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Discussion in 'Racing' started by troy safari carpente, Dec 27, 2015.
They make it count until CP1 and then penalize him for CP2 ?
If I was one the top guys I would just race and see at the end, who knows what ASO remembers next that will remove/re-instate/add/recycle that will affect the classication... heck, BB should be following the standings, he may well still get a decent finish
ASO really needs to get their shait together....
On the area 51 - alien life topic, yeah Toby is going that way, even if nav was not THE thing but he still was pretty awasome nontheless
Who thinks the stage will be shortened
I tend to agree here... and not to cast aspersions, but Laia was pretty pissed at being a) the first rider stopped at CP2, and b) bumped behind the Gonk in the stage standings yesterday.
KTM on the offensive after all? - Although it's not like they're not going to win again this year anyway...
Im waiting for the dribbling crap to stop and the real race discussion to start.
Maybe I'll have to read a few more pages of aliens and conspiracy crap talk first.
Just trying to fit in
You make a good point, wasabi46. How can they penalize him for spending too long at a checkpoint which is AFTER the end of the stage? I see an appeal coming....
I think he stopped on the place where was forced 15 min break and started to work on the bike. He should start and if he did not started, his time was running as if he would start, but the extra time he spent by the repair is counted as "penalty"
I belive they talk about yesterda´s stage - not the day before. He probably had some troubles in yesterday´s stage too.
Ok, so while we wait for the Chopper Squad... (that's for all you Aussies x)
My review on the Jennydakar Facebook page to chew over here:
Dakar 2016: Day 11 (Stage 10) summary. The day of the under-dog…
After the chaos of shortened stage 9 and the confusing allocation of stage times (shaking up the leader board with some winners and also some high profile losers - #12 Laia Sanz being most notable perhaps), it was back to business for the second half of the Marathon stage for bikes/quads - the cars and trucks having been allowed to return to their original bivouac in Belen for regular service.
With the organisation effectively giving the Gonk a get-out-of-jail-free card by cutting the stage at the CP at which he had reached on the end of a rope, he was able to fix his bike overnight (in actual fact, it was during the afternoon, since the stage was cut at about 1.30pm local time) using parts initially reported to have been carried by a quad competitor, although it appears from the photographs that two HRC bikes were involved in the rebuild, and the fact that #19 Michael Metge failed to start stage 10 would imply that it was that rider who had had to sacrifice engine parts to ensure #2 Goncalves could continue.
It is worth mentioning here that although #19 Metge is a factory lead rider, having suffered engine/electrical problems during stage 8 meant he was now way out of contention in the overall standings, so the decision was made for him to provide back-up to those further ahead and still in with change of a decent result.
However, to compound matters further, while Goncalves did finish today's stage in 4th place (6 minutes behind the winner Stefan Svitko), he has subsequently been penalised a further 39m56s on the overall rankings - this apparently due to a mis-calculation during the timing revisions of stage 9, and later applied after the results for that day had been published. This means that Goncalves is now completely out of the running for the podium this year, now currently in 8th in the overall standings.
The irony now of course is that with both top HRC riders #6 Barreda out, and #2 Goncalves way behind in the overall standings, the leading Honda pilots are now #47 Kevin Benavides on the satellite Honda SA team (currently in 5th overall, and not least finishing 2nd again on stage 10 today!), closely followed by Dakar rookie #48 Rikky Brabec (the wild-card HRC rider) who is now 7th overall having also finished in the top ten today (in 8th place).
Having stormed the previous stage, current Moto leader in the overall standings #3 Toby Price played a calculated game today, letting two other fast riders take the stage ahead of him - while he still leads the overall pack by over 23 minutes from current 2nd place #5 Stefan Svitko, who was the stage winner today (see photo).
It was very much a mixed day for the Yamaha 'factory' team. #7 Helder Rodrigues is still the leading Yamaha rider, while his teammate #18 Alessandro Botturi had to retire today. Similarly #30 Xavier De Soultrait (of the 'junior' team) had to retire, leaving only the other junior team rider #42 Adrien Van Beveren (currently 10th overall) to back up Helder's campaign for a podium finish.
Currently Helder is 14 minutes off the third step of the podium, albeit with fast riders #49 Antoine Meo (KTM) and #47 Kevin Benavides (Honda) ahead of him, and not least the 3rd-step incumbent #4 Pablo Quintanilla.
My ride of the day however has to go to #106 Ian Blythe - another Dakar first-timer, and indeed one with relatively limited off-piste navigation and sand experience, who finished this gruelling stage in 11th place today - in huge contrast to his result the day before (56th), it would appear that Ian has really found his mojo going into the final few days of Dakar this year, and is now once again comfortably inside the top thirty overall (currently 27th) in his debut year.
Not so lucky was #12 Laia Sanz. After her frustration at being the first of those not allowed to complete the stage after CP2 yesterday, she had a disastrous stage 10 - loosing over an hour and a half to the leaders with engine/radiator problems, meaning she could only [comparatively] crawl through the stage - finishing a lowly 39th, and dropping her back three placings in the overall standings (currently 17th): "[It was a] Hard day for me after several problems, but this is the Dakar. Some days everything goes right and others wrong.”
In the cars, there was plenty of drama, and a new overall leader - albeit one of the Peugeots again of course! This time it was #302 Stephane Peterhansel’s turn to make his mark, with a storming performance that he admits was on the ragged edge at times - losing his temper when frustrated in trying to find the first waypoint, he let loose and won the stage 5m40s ahead of second place and his teammate #321 Cyril Despres, in another car-career-best finish today - Go Cyril! Go #321!!!
Previous stage winner #306 Erik Van Loon in his MINI suffered a roll-over early on, as did fellow MINI driver and current 2nd overall driver #300 Nasser Al Attiyah dropping them significantly in the stage standings, although Nasser at least hangs onto 2nd overall - albeit an hour behind race leader #302 Peterhansel now.
And where was the previous overall leader #302 Carlos Sainz in all of this you might ask? Stuck out in the desert somewhere with a broken gearbox - his campaign now over for another year. Carlos, having waited for the team Truck (competitor) to assist him, eventually made it to the end of the stage over 6 hours behind.
Fortunately #314 Sebastian Loeb seems to have quickly found his sand shoes, bringing the final factory Pug home in a very respectable 5th on the stage today. Although the drama during previous couple of stages means he is far from being a contender for the podium this time round, Loeb is now inside the top ten overall in this his debut Dakar year. A future champion no doubt! Go Sebby! Go #314!!!
The Dakar has not been kind to #312 Robby Gordon this year, who has been surprisingly quiet compared to his usual outbursts.
Penalised over an hour early on for a speeding infraction early on in the event, he has struggled to reach the top ten during each stage, finishing today for example in 15th place - one spot behind Nasser Al Attiyah - who had rolled his car don't forget, and with a similar stage time to the fastest Truck (#529 Pascal De Barr in a monster Renault, just pipping overall Truck leader #501 Gerard De Rooy in the Iveco. Ok that's enough about trucks... ed.)
A further disaster befell Planet Robby and the Speed Energy team, in that car #337 driven by 18 year old Sheldon Creed and co-piloted by Jonah Street has now been excluded from the race after missing too many waypoints during stage 9. Having suffered clutch failure, and subsequently hit by a passing truck while trying to effect a repair, Sheldon and Jonah took the decision to cut the course in an effort to reach the end of the stage. The number of waypoints missed was deemed unacceptable by the organisation, and they were expelled. You live and learn. Whether we will see Robby and his team return to Dakar in 2017 remains to be seen.
Looking forward to stage 11 - the end would appear to be tantalisingly close now, although it will be another long day with a 281 liaison before a 431km special stage before the competitors arrive at the San Juan bivouac this evening.
Course notes suggest there will be a mix of very soft 'fesh fesh' sand, and faster gravel piste. For the back markers especially, this is likely to be another epic test of physical and mental resolve. Despite confirmation in the results table, it would appear that back-markers #116 Chris Cork and #111 Sylvain Espinasse (2-stroke) are still in the race... Go Corky! Go Stink-wheel! JM
Thanks for posting some real wisdom here
Take a look at the tracking page...top 6? guys have disappeared
Mischa.....wp1 not showing up
From the moment you leave the bivouac in the morning till the moment you return at the end of the day you are on the clock and if you are not where you're meant to be when you're meant to be there you get penalised .
08:55 : Bikes: Svitko on the move
The bikes have started the special, with yesterday’s winner, Slovakia’s Stefan Svitko, kicking off proceedings at 8.35 AM local time, to tackle the 430 kilometre special.
I think the easiest way to win a long distance race is to pace yourself. So far TP has navigated well, hasn't broken his machine, has completed ALL STAGES; ( as compared to all but a dozen others). Why didn't ASO call the riders when the stage was called? They can ping them for speed infractions as they feel. What would be so hard to send a chopper to shut down the lead riders? Is there any "compensation "available to the riders who completed the extra k m if the have a mechanical breakdown in the last km of the upcoming stages?
Now it's F5ITH!
May be the stage was cancelled at the beginning of the stage and they went home
Being towed and arriving late might have been a motive - think its plausible - keep in mind not arguing if is fair or not. This may be related to Tuesday and it gets instated Thursday that alone is not right, for people following the race and to competitors, all of them and specially Gonk - dont think anyone on the history of Dakar has been so many times out and back and out and... who knows how many times more