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Do you even Dakar?
Laia Sanz 15th and gunning for more!
The Catalan rider, a regular sight near the top of the classification, has lofty ambitions. She has just finished a turbulent Dakar in 15th place. A great feat.
Where two days ago in San Juan there were only sad faces, now there are only smiles in Rosario. Laia Sanz finished higher than she expected. "I would've signed up for this result in a heartbeat", she says as she clambers off the podium. "New bike, new team and a Dakar that was different but very hard." Laia, once again the best female rider —no surprises there— simply defended her standing. She finished ninth last year and fifteenth this time round. Are these results comparable, though? "I ran into trouble in the second half of the Dakar after taking a rough tumble as I crossed a río. I had bruises everywhere the last two stages, and my right collarbone hurt a lot. I also caught a throat infection. The key factor, though, was having a much faster Dakar this year. I was unable to let my navigation skills do the talking. For starters, they shortened the stage that suited me best, the one in Fiambalá. I lost big time that day because I wasn't one of the 12 motorcycle riders allowed to keep their times. What's more, I didn't manage to make the difference in the first week, which was very much like a rally and not enough Dakar-style, but I'm very happy. It's a good result. I also adapted very well to my new team, KTM. It's great for me and for the future."
Top rookie Kevin Benavides feels the weight of fame
The Argentinian rider stole the show in his first Dakar with a top 5 finish, but he had to overcome a great deal of pressure at the end. This is the price of a performance that made him one of the favourites for the next few editions of the Dakar.
The young man from Salta probably did not expect so much from his maiden Dakar. After all, not so many riders finish fourth, 54′57″ behind the winner, in their first attempt. The Honda South America ended the race with a booty of one stage win and three second places, never falling below seventh overall. Not only did he make an impression, he also laid the groundwork for even more exciting performances. He also opened the door to a national craze for the motorcycle category mirroring what the Patronelli Bros. have achieved in the quad category. He is quite taken aback by this: "I had a difficult second week because everyone wanted to talk to me. It wasn't just the media. There were also friends and acquaintances. It's a lot of pressure, at the end of the day. You don't sleep as well. You have trouble focusing. I'll have to find a better way to deal with this. It's very important in such a tough race where sleep is so important." Kevin Benavides is already looking past his sensational debut, and so are the Argentinian fans.
Duplessis takes the Elf Moto Trophy
The reigning Dakar Challenge champion, Martin Duplessis, won the Elf Moto Trophy and €3,000 in prize money at the end of his first Dakar.
The Elf Moto Trophy has been organised since 2003 and is awarded to the three best Dakar rookies who agree to fly the colours of the French oil company. A place for them to relax and get useful tips is set up at each bivouac. Elf motorcycle products are also available to these competitors. Martin Duplessis claimed the first prize this year by finishing 25th, 7 h 45′ behind the champion. The Argentinian capitalised on Ian Blythe's fall in the penultimate special after battling the American during most of the rally. "I also had my fair share of bad luck", cautions the winner of the last Dakar Challenge. "I had a heavy fall on the way from Belén to Salta, when I was sitting in the top 15. I passed out for a few moments, and by the time I was up and running I'd already lost loads of time. My motorcycle was also in bad shape." However, the KTM rider managed to finish his maiden Dakar and claim the Elf Moto Trophy. Success breeds success!
Hirvonen ahead of Loeb? Never say never!
Few pundits would have bet on Mikko Hirvonen to beat Sébastien Loeb in their highly anticipated duel.
Despite being frustrated four times by Loeb in his quest to win the WRC, the Finnish rider was the 2016 Dakar rookie of the year. The nine-time world champion's raw speed netted him more stage wins than anyone else (four, including the finale ahead of none other than Hirvonen), but Hirvonen brought into play his consistency from traditional rallies and ended up just outside the final podium. He confirms the analysis: "I managed not to make mistakes, and that's what brought us so high in the classification. I know mistakes can be very costly. That said, when I look at someone like Nasser Al-Attiyah, for instance, I realise I've still got a lot to learn." Hirvonen is racing up the learning curve with Michel Périn in his Mini's cabin and eager to try to claim the big victory still missing from his trophy room: "I had a terrific experience and I'm delighted with the result I achieved in my first start. I'll do my best to come back, if I can."
Van den Goorbergh wins in solo mode
Jurgen van den Goorbergh promised himself he would win the Malles-Motos category this year, and he was as good as his word. Focus and dedication were the pillars of the KTM rider's success.
Jurgen van den Goorbergh is in love with the Dakar. "When you've done well, you come back because you want to repeat the exploit", explains the former Moto GP rider, who took part in his sixth Dakar. "And, when you've had a bad experience, you come back because you don't want to end on a low note." This year was a good one for the Dutchman, who has already had a go at the Dakar in a car and in a truck, as well as on two wheels. 31st overall, Jurgen won the famous Malles-Motos category, which requires riders to forego assistance crews. Last year he was bested by Sweden's Thomas Berglund. "He was one tough cookie", remembers VDG. "But the race was hard even without him. During the first week, gaps were limited to a minute or two. There were fast tracks, no navigation at all… It wasn't very stimulating, and the weather was a pain in the neck. I made the difference after the rest day. I like it when things get complicated and technical, and the second week was harder in this regard, even though some specials were shortened. I found the sweet spot between too fast and too slow." However, once in Rosario the KTM rider was glad it was all over. "Even if you prepare properly, racing without assistance is a huge challenge", he concludes. "The three days we spent at very high altitude in Bolivia left me knackered."
2016 DAKAR: PEUGEOT ON TOP OF THE WORLD WITH "PETER" AS PRICE OPENS HIS ACCOUNT
218 vehicles (84 motorcycles, 23 quads, 67 cars and 44 trucks) managed to finish the 2016 edition of the Dakar, which saw Stéphane Peterhansel claim his sixth win in the car category after another six in the motorcycle race for a grand total of twelve. Mister Dakar, the leader of the Peugeot dream team that dominated the race with nine stage wins out of twelve, expanded his palmarès with a symbolic victory that restored the Lion brand to its former glory 26 years after Ari Vatanen's last win at the wheel of a 405. Nasser Al-Attiyah (Mini) and Giniel de Villiers (Toyota Hilux) completed the podium. Toby Price posted a flawless performance in his second Dakar participation to win the motorcycle category and become the first Dakar champion from Australia. This edition was also a watershed for the category, with five rookies in the final top 10. Meanwhile, the quad race was a classic comeback story, with the two Patronelli Bros. running the show and Marcos at the forefront. 2012 champion Gerard de Rooy claimed his second Dakar win in the truck category.
Cars: "Peter" rolls a double six!Whatever Jean de la Fontaine may say, lions can also become hares and win long-distance races. In his defence, the 17th-century fabulist could not have foreseen the ups-and-downs of the Dakar or the impact of the dunes of Fiambalá on the race, let alone the performances of the Peugeot 2008 DKR after a lacklustre 2015 edition or Stéphane Peterhansel's supreme dominance. All these factors helped decide the outcome of the 38th edition, which was marked by the ascendancy of the Peugeot buggies, first arrogant, then uncertain, and finally triumphant thanks to the talent of their leader, who won his 12th Dakar! Halfway through the race, the dream team was in the lead with a trident headed by Sébastien Loeb, who eventually floundered on the dunes and the ríos, while Carlos Sainz pushed his car too hard for it to survive the journey to Rosario. In two days, the three-man act gave way to a one-man show with the climax in the stage to La Rioja, in the heart of the dunes of Fiambalá: "Mister Dakar" finished an hour ahead of the competition and then played it safe all the way to Rosario, escorted by luxury guardian angels Loeb and Despres.
"Peter" never really faced any competition, with Nasser Al-Attiyah acknowledging he was merely playing the antagonist's role in someone else's play. However, the defending champion got stronger and more aggressive in the second week, capping his trek through Argentina and Bolivia with two stage wins and a silver medal that seemed a pie in the sky when he left Salta after the rest day. Behind the Qatari, Giniel de Villiers gave another master class in consistency to claim his fifth podium spot in thirteen starts. The Toyota was unable to threaten the Peugeot any more than the Mini, but four Hilux cars finished in the top 10 thanks to the solid performances of Leeroy Poulter (fifth) and Vladimir Vasilyev (eighth). However, Mini dominated the top 10, where Nasser Al-Attiyah was closely followed by top rookie Mikko Hirvonen (fifth), Nani Roma (seventh) and another rising star making his debut, Harry Hunt (tenth).
Motorcycles: Price leads a whole new generationNot even Stéphane Peterhansel, Marc Coma and Cyril Despres, the most decorated competitors in the history of the Dakar, managed to do what Toby Price did this year —winning the most prestigious rally raid in the world in his second participation. "It's an amazing record", blurted the KTM rider at the finish in Rosario. "To be the first Australian to win the Dakar in all divisions is crazy." Price built his success on a surprising degree of maturity. The 28-year-old lad read the two weeks of racing like an open book. "I pushed the days I needed to push and I looked after the bike the most in the marathon stages", he explains. Toby Price made no mistakes in this department. The Australian made the most of a reliable KTM that won its fifteenth Dakar in a row, skilfully avoiding the pitfalls that swallowed his main rivals and seizing the lead just after the rest day. Joan Barreda and Paulo Gonçalves, both pretenders to the crown, failed to reach the finish. The Spaniard was hit by a mechanical near Uyuni, while the Portuguese rider saw his hopes go up in smoke in Fiambalá, also due to engine troubles. Bolivia was also the graveyard of Ruben Faria and Matthias Walkner's podium ambitions. The Portuguese suffered a broken hand and the Austrian a broken femur. Slovak Štefan Svitko and Chilean Pablo Quintanilla had a better Dakar and escorted Toby Price on the final podium.
The 38th Dakar also consecrated a new generation of riders who made their debut this year. Argentinian Kevin Benavides was the South American revelation and finished fourth overall after winning the third stage. Antoine Méo fought Kevin Benavides and Pablo Quintanilla for a podium place for most of the race. However, a heavy fall on the day before the finish in Rosario pushed the five-time enduro world champion down to seventh place overall. The two-time winner of the Enduropale du Touquet, Adrien Van Beveren, also rode strongly and overtook Méo for sixth place in the closing stage. American Ricky Brabec, who flew the flag in the general classification for Honda, and Spaniard Armand Monleón rounded off the top 10.
Quads: Marcos Patronelli keeps it in the familyThe Patronelli Bros. quickly dispelled any doubts on their ability to stage a victorious comeback to the Dakar. Alejandro and Marcos were in the mix from the start, but they also benefited from the other favourites' bad luck. After last year's winner, Rafał Sonik, was forced out of the race by mechanical problems, it was the turn of his predecessor Ignacio Casale to go home with two stages… and a broken collarbone. The pace set by the Patronelli Bros. quickly cleared up any doubts except which of the two would take the trophy in Rosario. The younger brother, Marcos, eventually outgunned Alejandro and overtook him both in the general classification (by just 5′23″) and in the number of overall wins (three to two). Meanwhile, their closest rival, South Africa's Brian Baragwanath, finished 1 h 41′ back.
Trucks: Gerard de Rooy and Iveco reign supremeThis time round, the boot was on the other foot for Kamaz. The blue trucks came to Buenos Aires with the defending champion, Ayrat Mardeev, as well as last year's number 2 (Eduard Nikolaev) and number 3 (Andrey Karginov), but they will leave Rosario with quite an empty bag (three stages for Nikolaev and zero days in the lead). Their inspired and competitive rivals at Iveco and Man put paid to their chances. After 2012, this was the second South American edition to feature just one Kamaz on the podium (Mardeev). At least back then they could say they were bang in the middle of the post-Chagin transition. With the Kamaz trucks found lacking, Gerard de Rooy moved into the lead in stage 8 and never looked back. It is his second win, after the one he took in 2012, as destiny would have it. The heir, De Rooy, finished with a comfortable margin and three stage wins under his belt. The race was energised by an old acquaintance, cousin Hans Stacey (Man), who won the 2007 edition and the closing stage this year, as well as a surprising Federico Villagra (Iveco), who finished third in his first participation in the truck category. The constructors' results also reveal a new balance of power in the category: Kamaz only got two trucks in the top 10, compared with Iveco's four.
Al-Attiyah could switch teams for Dakar 2017
Two-time Dakar Rally champion Nasser Al-Attiyah says he is out of contract for next year's edition of the race and is open to offers.
Having won the Dakar in 2011 and 2015, Al-Attiyah finished runner-up to Stephane Peterhansel in 2016 - pending the outcome of an appeal filed against the Frenchman.
The Qatari raced for his current team X-raid between 2005 and 2009 before rejoining the squad in 2014 after stints in Volkswagen, Hummer and Demon Jefferies machinery.
But, with Al-Attiyah scaling back his participation in motorsport due to a focus preparation for the 2016 Olympic Games, he currently does not have a deal in place for next year's Dakar.
"I am a free man," Al-Attiyah said upon arriving at the finish line of the 2016 Dakar Rally.
"If someone offers me a good contract, I can go - because I have no contract."
However, the Qatari clarified that he is not disappointed with the outcome of the rally.
"The feeling we had before starting the Dakar is that we could be on the podium, but we did not know where. I am happy with second place, especially for the team."
Rally Pan Am FB
Final liaison to the port. Boys stoked for another 200km. Not.
David Casteu FB
David Casteu: "it's magic to be at the arrival"
" it was a special very dusty, dangerous and no interest at all, tells the pilot ktm after the arrival of the last special. I finished the race clasping the butt, the trail was full of ruts dry, there was a lot of dust, I had a quad in front of me, it was the inferno to double them. I almost fall twice and I said to myself: '' Stop! I'll bring the bike!''. I assured... I finish in the top 20, this is not what I wanted. But this dakar was based on the speed and not on the adventure. It's a format that suit, was never for me. I'm still at the arrival of my 13th Dakar. We must not forget that many of the drivers are at the hospital and that other one dream is to be in my place, we must stay positive. It's magic to be on the dakar and it is even more magical to be at the arrival "
Translated from French
Super pleased to see our choice of truck racer, Albert Llovera , completed another #Dakar2016 finishing in a brilliant 35th. The paraplegic rally driver has hand controls on his Tatra truck and is a true inspiration to us here at Race2Recovery #Beyondinjury
Just want to say thanks to the F5 crew for this years coverage and commentary. thanks y'all
Where do I start??? To bring order and direction in Buenos Aires!! Back Home!!!
Translated from Spanish
#SuperFiambalá moments | Recuerdos de #SuperFiambalá ||
#gasalaburra #dakarrally #aso #adventure
That begs the question - what happens now with all the gear? Do the Dakar organizers take on the task of shipping it all back to the original port of departure, and then the teams take on the task of shipping it to their locations? How much stuff goes "missing" now that the race is over?
Sunday January 17th
Having a hard time disengaging. The folks that persevere *to* *and* *through* this race impress the heck out of me. I really like all the human stories, from the pointy, high-speed tactical side to the dirty, slogging through the night Corky side.
The Google sheet charts have been updated one last time, looks like Mischa is incorporating this functionality so this will probably be the last time I do it :)
Other than Blythe's few "oh sh*ts" and Gittere's withdrawal, our US guys ran a very consistent and continually improving race.
The factory team charts are even more chaotic.
Still can't believe somebody stole Duclos' helmet....
now that the race is run, and we got the Aussies engaged, just tell them what you think about Stoner racing in the Dakar would be like, troy.
That should keep this thread going until next year.
Sorry Fodder, didn't realise it was ur job It was something on my wish list for so long already, never had time to do it and finally did it this year. Still working on some parts of the site atm. Last day I can
Teams are responsible for getting their stuff to the port. Motos that are picked up by the ASO sweep truck are dropped off at the port. Everything is shipped back to Le Havre port in France by ASO.
If a team is shipping their stuff directly to their country then it is on them.
Mischa, for how long will the data be visible on your site?
ha! I think I've bugged you for a few years to do it so no worries!
2016 DAKAR f5irehose - the figures.
Well f5olks, that's the f5irehose done and dusted for this DAKAR...
Like the real DAKAR our cyber version had its share of ups and downs this year; early morning starts before dawn, late night finishes just in front of the sweeper truck, there were timing glitches, the usual assortment of laugh's, and the odd tiff... but all in all awesome content and participation from a cast of 1000's. The pace was not as hectic perhaps as some years ago, but many have commented that the quality of information this year was exceptional; The occurence of 205's was the lowest I've ever witnessed, and after we all settled in to the f5low, there was not much "waypoint stamp static" and it went like a dance in cyber f5esh f5esh.
There were tradesmans efforts aplenty from the f5'ers - too many to mention. While some battled on to keep up with the f5lowing paceof the mothership , others sailed along effortlessly taking it in their stride... for those that started to go under - there was always the lifeboat - cliffnotes. We had DNS's ,DNF's delays at the DSS, missing WP's, non-existent CP's and more than our fair share of relocates ASSes...
So, how did it finish up...?
This year we had the 2016 off5icial pre-event DAKAR preparation thread - which included the ARRIVAL, SCRUTINEERING and START PODIUM/PROLOGUE chat on LEG 0 to the Rosario Bivouac; which had 1,491 posts and recieved 90,388 views.
The 2016 DAKAR f5irehose - LEG 1 to the finish podium after Stage 13 had 8,923 posts and recieved 465,930 views.
The combination of these two put this years F5 virtual DAKAR in pos.7 on the ADVRider.com RACING FORUM all time traffic "hit list";
2012 f5irehose 14,634 posts / 1,372 948 views (well in excess of 1,000 posts per day)
2013 f5irehose 18,421 posts / 1,314 894 views
2011 f5irehose 12,451 posts / 1,078 302 views (first time in excess of one million views)
2015 f5irehose 11,291 posts / 959 797 views
2014 f5irehose 12,230 posts / 954 547 views
2010 f5irehose 7,138 posts / 623 248 views
2016 f5irehose 10,414 posts / 556 318 views
There are no thread themes on ADVRider RACING forum that draw this much attention.
Cliffnotes ran at 2,914 copied posts / 51 188 views (or a bout a third of the posts from the f5irehose and less than 10% of the viewers.
That means on ADVRider RACING FORUM, only DAKAR related threads hold spots in the top 10 all time traffic list.
The others are;
"The Bivouac" general rally news thread (since Dec' 2009) 7201 posts / 903 009 views
Neduro did DAKAR (from 2011 Dakar rally) 5265 posts / 764 760 views
The only threads that attain anything like this volume are the annual yooperbikemike MOTO GP threads which generally run for somewhere around 4,000 to 5,500 pages - and @ 500,000 + views over an entire season.
DAKAR is still the single biggest drawcard for ADVRider for sure.
The 2016 F5/ASO DAKAR HEAD Trophies go to:
Thanks to Myway for another f5antastic work load this year keeping all the schedules, TV guides, maps and profiles... in fact every resource that there was this year on the f5 was in some way thanks to his efforts.
To Mischa (misc), for the exceptional resource and timekeeping tool that is trackingdakar.nl factory team effort!
Thank's to Kaia for the help in the engine room this year... f5otos thread is a masterwork of colour and action.
Thank's to Yardracer for such a thorough and conscientious job on the dakar.com and facebook updates, as well as general f5 vibe.
As always plenty of great banter and colour commentary from the regulars on the F5 crew, no one mentioned - none forgotten... and also great to see a bunch of new faces from Europe, South America, the UK, of course the USA, even a rise in the participation of the Aussies (funny bout that) and some new faces from our inmates in the east and Asian countries. Thank you all for being a part of the F5 DAKAR experience.
Now the flow that was the 2016 f5irehose has slowed after the festivities - to a dribble. Soon it will be just drips and drops. We will leave the three 2016 DAKAR stickies at the top of the masthead until the end of January, so that f5olks can go back and relive the nightmares and memories of the Photo's, flipp back through the f5irehose, or find something specific of interest on cliffnotes.
Finall I would like to thank all that participated on the ADVRider.com DAKAR f5irehose this year - it is what "we" all made it... (Thank's Toby).
Take care, see you all in the bivouac...