2017 DAKAR Rally - Official f5irehose coverage thread.

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    :clap:D When Januari 2nd 2017 comes around... it is all systems... go...!!! :thumbup:thumbup:thumbup
    The original, the one, the only ADVRider DAKAR f5irehose...!!! :super:rayof:wings

    No crib notes, no Cliff notes, no place for the feint hearted... just 100% full throttle f5 cyber DAKAR - ADV Racing forum style... :D :thumb
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    :wave I have just created this f5irehose coverage thread (stickied/closed until the Jan 2nd Podium start ceremony of SS1 = ASO official F5ITH)... :happay

    I have stickied the ASO DAKAR photo thread (thanks Myway)... and we came to the decision of no Cliff Notes this year - just the one mammoth f5 firehose thread... if possible Bluebull (or some one) can do an index thread of the individual day DSS starts / and ASS finishes (I will sticky it) - in order for F5 lurkers to pop in and navigate their way to the beginning or end of each of the individual day stages... in lieu of "Cliff Notes" :D

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    Posting F5 comments on the f5irehose during the special stages can be a frantic activity during the DAKAR here on ADV... and over the years the collective has adopted certain names - for certain riders - in order to identify (not to mention spell) and type quickly, during the play by play...

    Of course there were the obvious ones; Coma (straight forward), Fretegne (no apostophies) and Jonah Street (everyone here knew him).

    Then there were the little more imaginative ones like GONK (abbreviated/misspelt), Mudboy (Despres) - also thank's in no small part to "Speedy" Goncalves involvement in the 2012 rally... and of course "shoestring" Luchesse, a great nick that the f5'ers gave to Manny during his first "scavenger hunt" DAKAR a few years ago...

    So here is the ASO / F5 elite start number/ADV "nicks" for 2017:

    #1. Toby (a.k.a. the "mullet" ... a.k.a. "wees")
    #2. Stefko (Stefan Svitko)
    #3. Pablo Quint(anilla)
    #4. Kevin B(enevides)
    #5. Held'er (Rodrigues)
    #6. AdrienVB(everen)
    #8. Farres (Gerard Guell)
    #9. r"Icky" (Brabec)
    #10. Arm and Melon (Monleon)
    #11. Bam Bam Barreda
    #12. Garcia (Juan Pedrero)
    #14. Matthi(as) Walkner
    #15. Waterboy (Metge Michael.)
    #16. SunderSam
    #17. GONK a.k.a "Speedy" Goncalves.
    #18. Botturi (Alessandro)
    #19. "princess" Laia (Sanz)
    #20. Ivan J(akes)
    #23. Xavier (de Soultrait)
    #24. Jacopo Cerutti
    #25. Ivan C(ervantes) "Cerveza"
    #26. Adrien (another) Metge
    #31. Pela Renet
    #32. Chavo! :clap Juan Carlos Salvatierra
    #35. van Pelt jr. (Robert)
    #39. Jurgen van den Goorbergh
    #42. Santosh a.k.a. "Toshi" (Chunchunguppe Shivashankar)
    #43. RodF(aggotter)
    #44. Ivan Ramirez
    #54. lunchbox manny (Manuel) Luchesse a.k.a. "shoestring"

    There will - no doubt - be others... :1drink

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    N° PILOTE NATIONALITÉ MARQUE TEAM
    NUMBER PILOT NATIONALITY BRAND TEAM
    NÚMERO PILOTO NACIONALIDAD MARCA EQUIPO

    1 PRICE TOBY AUS KTM RED BULL KTM FACTORY TEAM
    2 SVITKO STEFAN SVK KTM SLOVNAFT RALLY TEAM
    3 QUINTANILLA PABLO CHL HUQSVARNA ROCKSTAR ENERGY HUSQVARNA FACTORY RACING
    4 BENAVIDES KEVIN ARG HONDA MONSTER ENERGY HONDA TEAM
    5 RODRIGUES HELDER PRT YAMAHA YAMALUBE YAMAHA OFFICIAL RALLY TEAM
    6 VAN BEVEREN ADRIEN FRA YAMAHA YAMALUBE YAMAHA OFFICIAL RALLY TEAM
    8 FARRES GUELL GERARD ESP KTM HIMOINSA DAKAR TEAM
    9 BRABEC RICKY USA HONDA MONSTER ENERGY HONDA TEAM
    10 MONLEON ARMAND ESP KTM DUUST RALLY TEAM
    11 BARREDA BORT JOAN ESP HONDA MONSTER ENERGY HONDA TEAM
    12 PEDRERO GARCIA JUAN ESP SHERCO TVS SHERCO TVS RALLY FACTORY
    14 WALKNER MATTHIAS AUT KTM RED BULL KTM FACTORY TEAM
    15 METGE MICHAEL FRA HONDA MONSTER ENERGY HONDA TEAM
    16 SUNDERLAND SAM GBR KTM RED BULL KTM FACTORY TEAM
    17 GONÇALVES PAULO PRT HONDA MONSTER ENERGY HONDA TEAM
    18 BOTTURI ALESSANDRO ITA YAMAHA YAMALUBE YAMAHA OFFICIAL RALLY TEAM
    19 SANZ LAIA ESP KTM KTM RACING TEAM
    20 JAKES IVAN SVK KTM JAKES DAKAR TEAM
    23 DE SOULTRAIT XAVIER FRA YAMAHA VILTAIS RACING TEAM HFP
    24 CERUTTI JACOPO ITA HUSQVARNA MOTO RACING GROUP (MRG)
    25 CERVANTES MONTERO IVAN ESP KTM HIMOINSA DAKAR TEAM
    26 METGE ADRIEN FRA SHERCO SHERCO TVS RALLY FACTORY
    27 RODRIGUES JOAQUIM PRT HERO-SPEEDBRAIN HERO MOTOSPORTS TEAM RALLY
    28 PATRAO MÁRIO PRT KTM JETMAR/KTM PORTUGAL
    29 GYENES EMANUEL ROU KTM AUTONET MOTORCYCLE TEAM
    30 PIATEK JAKUB POL KTM ORLEN TEAM
    31 RENET PIERRE ALEXANDRE FRA HUSQVARNA ROCKSTAR ENERGY HUSQVARNA FACTORY RACING
    32 SALVATIERRA JUAN CARLOS BOL KTM DUUST RALLY TEAM
    33 GIMENO GARCÍA ANTONIO ESP KTM HIMOINSA DAKAR TEAM
    34 DUPLESSIS DIEGO MARTIN ARG KTM ASISTENCIA MED
    35 VAN PELT ROBERT JR NLD HUQSVARNA VAN PELT MOTORSPORT
    37 CARDONA VAGNONI NICOLAS ALBERTO VEN KTM PEDREGA TEAM
    38 PABISKA DAVID CZE KTM BARTH RACING TEAM
    39 VAN DEN GOORBERGH JURGEN NLD KTM HEISTERKAMP KTM
    40 MINAUDIER LOIC FRA KTM NOMADE RACING ASSISTANCE
    41 SOLA TARRADELLAS MARC ESP YAMAHA PEDREGA TEAM
    42 CHUNCHUNGUPPE SHIVASHANKAR SANTOSH IND HERO-SPEEDBRAIN HERO MOTOSPORTS TEAM RALLY
    43 FAGGOTTER RODNEY AUS YAMAHA YAMALUBE YAMAHA OFFICIAL RALLY TEAM
    44 RAMIREZ IVAN MEX KTM RED BULL KTM FACTORY TEAM
    45 KLYMCIW ONDREJ CZE HUSQVARNA KLYMCIW RACING
    46 FUENTES FABRICIO BOL KTM DUUST RALLY TEAM
    47 KOZAC JOSE JULIAN ARG .... JULIAN KOZAC RALLY TEAM
    48 CORNEJO FLORIMO JOSE IGNACIO CHL KTM XRAIDS TEAM
    49 TOMICZEK ADAM POL KTM ORLEN TEAM
    50 NOSIGLIA JAGER DANIEL BOL HONDA MECTEAM NOSIGLIA
    51 CABRERA PATRICIO CHL KAWASAKI KAWASAKI CHILE CIDEF
    52 ENGEL MILAN CZE KTM MOTO RACING GROUP (MRG)
    53 METELLI LIVIO ITA KTM LIVIO METELLI
    54 LUCCHESE MANUEL ITA YAMAHA TEAM REBEL X SPORTS
    55 PASCUAL PABLO OSCAR ARG KTM PABLO PASCUAL
    56 MENARD JEAN-CHRISTOPHE FRA KTM HTM EXCLUSIVE COSMETICS
    57 CAVELIUS PHILIPPE FRA KTM CAVELIUS TEAM
    58 RODRIGUEZ PABLO ARG KTM DUUST RALLY TEAM
    59 NIFONTOVA ANASTASIYA RUS HUSQVARNA HT HUSQVARNA RALLY RAID
    60 IVANIUTIN ALEKSANDR RUS HUSQVARNA HT HUSQVARNA RALLY RAID
    61 PICCO FRANCO ITA YAMAHA FRANCO PICCO RACING
    62 LAZARD LAURENT URY KTM MOTO TEAM BY ELF
    63 DIOCLEZIANO TOIA ITA KTM DIOCLEZIANO TOIA
    64 REIS GONCALO PRT KTM JETMAR/KTM PORTUGAL
    65 CHOLLET GUILLAUME FRA YAMAHA CHOLLET
    66 NOSIGLIA JAGER WALTER BOL HONDA MECTEAM NOSIGLIA
    67 CAIMI FRANCO ARG HONDA HONDA SOUTH AMERICA RALLY TEAM
    68 AGAZZI SIMONE ITA HONDA MECTEAM NOSIGLIA
    69 PAYEN HUGO FRA KTM TEAM 69
    70 RUOSO ALESSANDRO ITA KTM ORLEN TEAM
    71 RIEZEBOS JASPER NLD KTM BAS DAKAR TEAM
    72 SAGHMEISTER GABOR SRB KTM AVTONET RACING TEAM
    74 BERDYSZ MACIEJ POL KTM MACIEJ BERDYSZ
    76 THOMAS DAVID ZAF HUSQVARNA HT HUSQVARNA RALLY RAID
    77 PRABHAKAR ARAVIND IND SHERCO SHERCO TVS RALLY FACTORY
    78 ALRUBAIAN IBRAHEEM KWT KTM BAS DAKAR TEAM
    80 BUTUZA MARCEL ROU KTM VECTRA RACING TEAM
    81 ROMERO FONT ROSA ESP KTM HIMOINSA DAKAR TEAM
    82 OLIVERAS CARRERAS DANIEL ESP KTM HIMOINSA DAKAR TEAM
    83 ONTIVEROS ALBERTO SANTIAGO ARG BETA GOBIERNO DE SAN JUAN RALLY TEAM
    84 MARCIC SIMON SVN KTM MARCIC
    85 BETHYS THIERRY FRA ZONGSHEN ZONGSHEN CYCLONE TEAM
    86 GARCIA MERINO JULIAN JOSE ESP YAMAHA MERINO TEAM
    87 ESPAÑA MUÑOZ CRISTIAN AND YAMAHA PEDREGA TEAM
    88 ROQUESALANE FRANTZ FRA KTM ROQUESALANE
    89 STASIACZEK PAWEL POL KTM DUUST RALLY TEAM
    90 GRACIDA GARZA CARLOS MEX HUSQVARNA HT HUSQVARNA RALLY RAID
    91 BERTHOLD MARKUS AUT KTM DUUST RALLY TEAM
    92 VELLUTINO CARLO PER KTM XRAIDS
    95 MEERU MART EST HUSQVARNA HT HUSQVARNA RALLY RAID
    96 GULDMAN GONZALEZ CRISTOBAL ANDRES CHL KAWASAKI KAWASAKI CHILE CIDEF
    97 LACUNZA JORGE ARG KTM LACUNZA RALLY TEAM
    98 CANDIA JOSE PRY KTM M.E.D. RACING TEAM
    99 MANCA LUCA ITA KTM PEDREGA TEAM
    100 POSKITT LYNDON GBR KTM RACES TO PLACES
    101 SARMIENTO CERON JUAN ESTEBAN COL KTM JUAN ESTEBAN SARMIENTO CERON
    102 VANDERWEYEN GILLES BEL KTM NOMADE RACING ASSISTANCE
    104 PORTELA MORAIS LUIS PRT KTM JETMAR/KTM PORTUGAL
    106 RAMOS ANTONIO ESP KTM HIMOINSA DAKAR TEAM
    107 HUNT MAX GBR HUSQVARNA HT HUSQVARNA RALLY RAID
    109 CROSBIE VINCENT BWA KTM NOMADE RACING ASSISTANCE
    110 JUBANY FERRAN ESP KTM DUUST RALLY TEAM
    111 REINIKE MARCO CHL KTM DKR TEAM
    112 ECHEVESTE KEVIN ARG KTM KEVIN ECHEVESTE RALLY TEAM
    114 MEGRE DAVID PRT KTM JETMAR/KTM PORTUGAL
    116 ROMERO OSCAR ESP YAMAHA CRN COMPETITION
    117 TRIISA TOOMAS EST HUSQVARNA HT HUSQVARNA RALLY RAID
    118 KAZAMA SHINNOSUKE JPN YAMAHA SPIRIT OF KAZAM
    119 TER BEEK RONALD NLD KTM BAS DAKAR TEAM
    120 WATSON DAVID GBR KTM DAVID WATSON
    121 SENN VAN BASEL HUMPHREY NLD KTM PRO SMART RALLY SUPPORT
    122 URQUIA SEBASTIAN ALBERTO ARG YAMAHA PJM GENERAL DEHEZA RALLY
    123 VERKADE MAIKEL NLD HONDA MAXXIS DAKAR TEAM POWERED BY SUPER B
    124 VACHERAND TIMOTHEE FRA KTM TEAM S-PASS MOTO
    125 DELIEGE HUGUES FRA KTM TEAM S-PASS MOTO
    126 VLCEK PETR CZE HUQSVARNA KLYMCIW RACING
    127 JOBARD WILLY FRA ZONGSHEN ZONGSHEN CYCLONE TEAM
    128 RICHIE CHN ZONGSHEN ZONGSHEN CYCLONE TEAM
    129 HONGYI ZHAO CHN ZONGSHEN ZONGSHEN CYCLONE TEAM
    130 MIN ZHANG CHN ZONGSHEN ZONGSHEN CYCLONE TEAM
    131 SOUSA JR. FERNANDO PRT KTM IS3 RACING TEAM
    132 EVANS JOEY ZAF KTM BAS DAKAR TEAM
    133 COMOGLIO JOHN FRA KTM ACTION ENDURO RALLY
    134 FILIPPI MARCO CHE KTM FILIPPI
    135 ANGUIANO REIG SERGIO ESP KTM FIORA BATH TEAM
    136 TERBLANCHE WALTER ZAF KTM BAS DAKAR TEAM
    137 HEMBERT OLIVIER FRA YAMAHA HEMBERT OLIVIER
    138 CIPOLLONE DOMENICO ITA KTM -
    139 KVAPIL LUKAS CZE YAMAHA BIG SHOCK RACING
    141 DESI JANOS HUN KTM TEAM KAISER
    143 SMIT HANS NLD HUSQVARNA HT HUSQVARNA RALLY RAID
    144 JOUIS PIERRE-ALEXANDRE FRA KTM LES LAMAS BRETONS
    145 BRUCY ARNOLD FRA KTM AL DESERT
    148 MONIN ARNAUD FRA KTM ARNAUD MONIN
    149 HART MATTHEW AUS HUSQVARNA HT HUSQVARNA RALLY RAID
    150 MORENO KRISTIANSEN MATEO COL KTM NOMADE RACING ASSISTANCE
    151 OLIVEIRA RUI PRT YAMAHA CRN COMPETITION
    152 MOTA FAUSTO PRT YAMAHA CRN COMPETITION
    154 MORAT GREGORY FRA KTM NOMADE RACING ASSISTANCE
    155 BOS ARJAN NLD HUSQVARNA HT HUSQVARNA RALLY RAID
    156 BURROUGHS KURT GBR KTM K66RACING & CRAZY CAMEL
    157 CARBONERO EMILIANO ARG KAWASAKI RIVADAVIA - MENDOZA RALLY
    158 CASELANI GREGORIO BRA HONDA HONDA SOUTH AMERICA
    159 FLITER RICHARD BRA HONDA TAGUATUR RACING TEAM
    160 HORVATH LAJOS HUN KTM LALLER RACING
    162 LHOTSKY RUDOLF CZE KTM BARTH RACING TEAM
    164 MARTINS RICARDO BRA YAMAHA TAGUATUR RACING TEAM
    166 NOGALES COPA DANNY ROBERT BOL KTM SDW SIMONS RALLY TEAM
    167 OLIVETTO MATTEO ITA KTM MATTEO OLIVETTO
    168 PETRONE SERGIO MIGUEL ARG YAMAHA SERGIO PETRONE RALLY TEAM
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    - 30, 31 December & 1 January: administrative and technical scrutineering in Asunción (Paraguay)
    - 2 - 14 January: 39th Dakar Rally Asunción-La Paz-Buenos Aires




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    (From the archives: :deal)

    As we embark upon yet another holiday season of disgusted spouses, neglected children, angry pets, angrier bosses, and IT internet usage reports that throw management into a frenzy. Friends of the f5 community, the time is once again, upon us... the 2017 OFFICIAL DAKAR COVERAGE f5irehose.

    As has been the case over the last few year's, we've settled into an early rhythm with the appropriate threads for the appropriate topics already in full swing... with the Pre-DAKAR thread and various f5 resource and index threads now posted and stickied, and under construction (thanks LARGELY in no small way, to the much appreciated efforts of myway)

    Mischa's timing and scoring site has evolved into the standard, by which all others are judged, and it will be most likely posted in due course in this thread when ready: TrackingDakar link: :deal



    The pre-DAKAR thread is now established as the ritual and will remain active until the first bikes are away on the first selective (January 2rd) when this thread will be opened for business.... then it will be the full bore, no holds barred, F5irehose of information.

    Until then all of the scrutineering, ceremonial START podium ceremony and PROLOGUE discussion can take place on the pre-DAKAR f5ree for all. :rayof

    For the n00bs (or for those who it's been 12 months since last time) here is a ref5resher on following along; specifically on where to find and how to decipher some of the information on Dakar.com http://www.dakar.com/index_DAKus.html

    Although the number of posts/views on the ADV Dakar f5irehose may have fallen over the last few years... what is not told by figures alone, is the increase in quality of the content and information has risen. This is really a tribute to all the participants that keep the information flowing. The numbers are no longer important. That the ADVRider.com RACING forum coverage has established itself as the single most comprehensive repository for Dakar information is due to all of you. Well done.

    But enough of the rhetoric, let's get down to business. :deal

    Daily Information:
    • Official ASO Dakar Website
    • Official Dakar feed on Twitter
    and for the car fans amongst us (the other race in DAKAR :deal ) the RaceDezert.com forum is a wealth of information about the auto category... although with a good helping of orange SPEED flavour to it, with all the RG fans - there is still a lot of great information on the 4WD vs 2WD batlle on there: http://www.race-dezert.com

    Dakar mobile apps:

    Android
    iPhone

    Check the rider list below for links to their personal or team pages, many of which are updated with individual news.

    Another great source is Twitter and Facebook although Facebook may be tough if you haven't 'friended' many of the riders. A lot of the most timely information on a rider by rider basis hit's FB and Twitter pretty quickly.

    Where to watch:

    Here is the link to the 2017 ADVRider f5 resource TV coverage page:
    http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/dakar-2017-how-are-you-watching.1195760/

    • Eurosport.com generally runs two updates daily, an interview update and then a stage/daily coverage show. Check either the media or torrent threads as those are the best sources for this information.
    • In recent years TV France has taken the level of live direct send DAKAR coverage to new highs. Comprised of live color commentary, rider interviews from the arrival control, incar and helicopter footage from the stage conclusion - live by satellite from the bivoua... it is THE best DAKAR broadcast going. If you do not "parlais vous francais" too well... get your phrase books out! Because the show is well worth it!
    Make sure to keep an eye on the latest from the "where to watch" thread for all the latest broadcast information on program times, links, streams etc. inmate myway is one of the guru's in there::deal

    Who to watch:

    Dakar.com rider watch and competitor (all categories):

    A special mention to all who follow and support the riders. Those who go without sleep, clean clothes, or showers and endure the bumpy roads and non-roads helping to keep the riders riding for our enjoyment. Thanks to you!

    Last but not least... a big THANK YOU to Baldy and the all new ADVRider.com forum... without whom, this whole F5 phenomenon may never have existed.
    (please tip your waiters f5olks).
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    ...or how to drink from the fire hose and enjoy the taste. :lol3


    [​IMG] Current local time in Argentina

    http://24timezones.com/world_directory/current_buenos_aires_time.php

    The important things to know up front are the basics or Dakar rule applications. There are two rulebook translations, in French and English. There can be different interpretations, depending on the article or situation. According to the ASO regulations, the French version is the definitive interpretation.


    The stage:
    Liaison:

    Each stage can be broken up into several pieces, 'Liaison', 'connection', 'road section', 'transit section' are all the same thing. They all refer to a section of the total stage that is not timed, but is basically how the riders get from the bivouac to the start of the timed section. Liaison distances can be anywhere from zero to several hundred kilometers and can be before, after, or at both ends of the timed stage.

    Depending loosely on finish placings the day before, riders are assessed a start time. Riders starting 1 through 10 are sent off in two minute intervals, starters 11 through 20 in one minute intervals, 20 on back in 30" intervals. Every now and then they'll stage mass starts of 10 or 20 riders at a time, but is may only happen a stage or two each year if at all.

    Timed section:
    This is where you get your boogie on. If you are in the top 30, you are dropping the hammer for a good placement. If you are farther back, you are most likely looking to survive to ride the next stage. It's important to know the motivations for participating.

    For the top 15 (this year in 2017) many are there for a win, no #1 plateholder Toby Price is odds favourite... but with sooo many World calibre riders and past cross country rally world title Winners - the title is clearly up for grabs. For the rest of the top 30, they are hoping for a good placement in order to attract sponsor deals or get noticed by a factory team. This year the TOP 50 contain riders of unparalleled quality... may who easily have talent to be top ten contenders by the rally's end.

    The rest of the field consists of riders for which the finish is the win they desire. Whether it be a dream fulfilled, an adventure undertaken, or simply someone with more dollars than sense, these riders will never battle with the likes of Barreda, Price or Goncalves... but they will battle even more fierce opponents like sand, dunes, time, darkness, and their own will and stamina to carry on.

    There are a few anomolies to these unwritten rules. Riders who come back year after year, hover in the 50's to 60's as far as time and placement and gradually move up towards the end more out of attrition than outright speed. They have flashes of brilliance now and then, but they know they will not win a stage or even end up on the podium. For them and riders like them, the motivation is intensely personal and seldom discussed.

    Every now and then a timed stage will include a neutralisation. A neutralization is usually an untimed section in the middle of a timed stage where riders need to get from one area to another. Usually this is when there is no feasible racing route through a particularly long distance. If it's a short go like through a village in Africa, the ASO will impose and closely monitor a speed limit. If it's long, they'll simply throw in a neutralisation section.

    What we end up with is two timed sections and the total time of the stage becomes an aggregate of the two sections. Think of it like two stages in a single day with the times added together.

    The end of a timed section may be right at the bivouac or there may be another liaison from the end of the timed stage to the bivouac.

    Timed sections are broken into many segments denoted by waypoints. As a rider approaches a waypoint, once they get within a defined perimeter, the GPS comes to life, and an arrow points the way to the waypoint. When the rider gets to within a closer set distance from the waypoint, it registers, his time is recorded and he or she takes off in search of the next waypoint (WP). Interspersed through the stage are also Checkpoints. These are spots where (as far as I know) time is manually recorded by an ASO official and the riders card is marked. CP's may or may not match up with a WP, but they usually do.

    Not to get too deep into the rules about delays, late starters, etc... as all that exists in the rules pdf here, but suffice to say, the ASO has penalties for everything and as I said above, the assessment of those penalties may or may not make sense and may or may not show on the timing lists.

    Typically stage maps from the Dakar.com main page showing CP's.
    These are often representative only... and NOT acurate as to the actual route as such...

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    A typical stage map from Dakar.com showing WP's.

    From the same page, this is the stage profile of the WP's. This is often better than the stage map as it shows the km's. One note of caution, the ASO is seemingly intentionally vague on their km markings and whether they actually line up with WP's or just denote the end of a particular type of surface, ie. the transition from gravel to dunes, etc...


    The iPhone App map is actually the best and more like the old Dakar.com it clearlt shows the CP's and a nice dashed line to the km marking. Notice for instance, CP4. Had the line not been there, it would look like CP4 lines up with km609 when in fact it is listed at km593 a full 14km's earlier. When expecting a rider to come in, 14km's in the dunes can be quite a lot of time.



    Hope fully that explains the basic mechanics of the stage and the movement of riders from bivouac to bivouac each day.

    Timing:
    First of all, if you want to track times like the best of them, yuou have to know your lists inside and out. Don't underestimate the difficulty of trying to figure out time splits while the pressure builds about posting it first as to not repeat, or 205, already posted information. Sure the time sheets give the split times form the stage leader, but what if you want to see how much time 5th Place gained on 3rd Place from waypoint 4 to waypoint 5? This is where list knowledge comes in.

    Waypoint times show up in the live tracking "follow your favorites" section of the dakar.com site and checkpoint times show up in the live tracking for the day here.

    As you learn to use both of these, you'll understand how they can compliment each other.

    For 2011, the ASO has drastically revamped their site and really took the wind out of the timing sails. One crucial element now gone is the physical time of day that a rider posted a WP or a CP. This was immensely helpful in tracking riders that have been lost, broke down, crashed, or simply slowed down. Now we only get the physical time of day for the start of each rider.

    The four most important things to remember are this:
    1)
    ASO timing is notoriously spotty. Not the times themselves per se, but when and if they show up. Because a rider has not posted a WP time does not mean the worst. The iritrack may not be working, the ASO official may have gone for coffee, the rider may have missed the waypoint.

    2) Always keep in mind the start intervals of the riders. For example: Joan Barreda may be leading Toby Price by 10 seconds from WP to WP, but when Joan posts his time at a WP and Toby's time doesn't show up 10 seconds later, many people panic that the second ride fell or slowed up, or whatever. Keep in mind that the second rider may have started physically on the stage 10 minutes after the first. Understand that the second riders time may not show up until the 10 minutes and 10 seconds have passed. Once your head around the "staggered start" concept, you'll be able when to expect a rider through a WP or a CP.

    The live WP to WP timing is usually referred to as the iritrack. The CP to CP timing is usually referred to as the Posis list after the French name for it. When you really get skilled, you can start venturing into the French version of dakar.com because for the most part, the times are updated a little faster there.

    3) As the day turns to night... and the night drags on... the updates on the ASO scoring becomes less frequent and spread out. The front guys have their times refreshed up to the lists pretty quickly, but if you are following a guy who is languishing in 134th place and is still out on the stage 6 hours after the first guys are in, good luck on keeping track. This is what we of the f5 call the "graveyard shift." it is the heart and soul of the f5 DAKAR experience... especially for the ADV forum inmates and competitors that we follow. Each year the f5 collective adopt riders that they more or less "will" to the ASS incontrol at the bivouac each night. This phenomenon is known as the "slow clap" :clap:clap:clap:clap:clap

    It can take on many forms... both geometric and symbolic... it's power is unquestionable... and there are several inmates of the f5 clan have mastered this mysterious artform to the point where it has become a kind of religion with the 00:00 to 05:00 am (local Argentine time) cyber rally disciples. :thumb

    What all this this means is that the ASO scoring crew sometimes turn in, before the riders make the finish of the special stage. The times will ultimately get recorded within the ASO, but they may never show on the list. If they are on the next days start list, they made it in. It is the f5 graveyard shift that are the spiritual caretakers of the backmarkers... so many souls they have salvaged over the years.

    4) Withdrawals and the withdrawal list. Previous f5 DAKAR experience dictates that inclusion on the withdrawal list is terminal. If your rider ends up there but it's still a mystery where they are, they are out. We cannot recall a rider make the withdrawal list, but then still somehow continue on. Not sure why the ASO is so spot on with withdrawals and spotty on everything else, but that's how it is... TERMINAL

    DSS, WP, CP, ASS, etc...
    DSS - Starting point of the timed stage (French abbreviation of Departe Special Stage)
    WP - Waypoint (electronically recorded time stamp)
    CP - Checkpoint (manually recorded time stamp)
    ASS - Not the nice Chilean girl screaming "Quint-an-iiiiiiiilla", but the finish of the timed stage. (French abbreviation for Arrive Special Stage)

    As mentioned, the various lists will give you just about all you need to track the riders. Don't be afraid to open up some tabs or some separate browser windows and have your various time lists up on each ready to toggle and refresh at a moments notice. The ASO's fancy new auto refresh will have you spitting nails by the fifth time you are copying a time from 14th place at WP5 and it refreshes back to the start times of the cars before you can select copy but it is what it is.

    What is "F5" - many are unsure of this and what it means. For us geeks that have been hovering over time sheets for the past few years, F5 became a joke about how often we are refreshing the browsers. For most PC based computers, the F5 key refreshes the browser just like the refresh icon does, but since many are typing it saves time to hit F5 over grabbing the mouse and clicking refresh. Nothing more complicated than that. :1drink
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  9. troy safari carpente

    troy safari carpente Team f5oolery

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    Tomorrow, DAKAR 2017 begins. For those who are there, DAKAR is more than a 2 week event. It is a way of life- of going farther, faster, of never saying die, of pushing through. We live in a world that is too often reasonable, too often denatured and dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. Dakar is none of those things. It makes no apologies for drowning the dreams of half her suitors. But that's why we love it, because the feedback is honest.

    For those who will start in the morning, the moment they go off the line is the culmination of a year (or more) of work. For months, there have been so many details to sweat, so much work to be done both on the race, and on paying for the race. All that ends tomorrow morning- whatever flaws you've come with, they are yours to the end. It's all over but the doing, and that's where the joy lives.

    It's not just the individual experience, either. Being a part of Dakar means that for two weeks, you are surrounded by people who are just as committed as you. People who have rejected what is reasonable descend from all corners of the globe, and the atmosphere that results is charged with magic...

    All of us at home get a little bit of that magic too. We get the chance to transcend ourselves for a short time, and that's what makes all the sacrifices of the race worthwhile. The world is watching, and we feed off the strength of those in the ring. We hope for the best for everyone, we wish everyone could finish, we respect their commitment, and we sit back and enjoy the show.
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    F5ire in the hoooooooooole!
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    ferals5 Team black bikes

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    F5ire in the hole? ;D

    Let's have a great & safe race!
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    locked and loaded..... here's to another great Dakar and the F5ire hose!!!
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    Carlos M www.motoxplorers.com

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    Awesome to have you back!

    FITH!
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    Off like a herd of startled Jackasses. Woohoo! Let me be the first to say GO TOBY!
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    Snowhite808 Been here awhile

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    my eyes playing tricks or something changed on the front tire???
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