1. Adventure Rider Print Magazine!
    We're doing a print magazine this November - 128 pages of high quality adventure riding stories, photography and interviews!

    Click here to purchase a copy for $9. Limited copies still available.
    Dismiss Notice

2018-2019 Africa Twin Adventure Sports

Discussion in 'Japanese polycylindered adventure bikes' started by cabanza, Nov 6, 2017.

  1. Getnout

    Getnout Mmmmm, Micro Brews!! Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2018
    Oddometer:
    346
    Location:
    Albany, Oregon

    I'm in sorta the same boat as @Olde Phart , no rain but haven't had mine out since our BDR ride. I will check when I get her all serviced and cleaned up. I too was wondering if you had the park brake (DCT). Really the nature of a caliper without any sort of return springs, like drum brakes, these pads you can assume will ever so lightly touch the rotor with no force until braking is applied. My feeling is if you can touch them with your bare hands like you say, should be golden. If they burn you or make water/spit sizzle, yep, too damn hot for a little rip without use. Just my thoughts. Anyways, hopefully somebody else can check real quick for ya. I'm about a week out.
    Amphib likes this.
  2. michaelkozera

    michaelkozera Long timer

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2015
    Oddometer:
    1,434
    Location:
    calgary
    Its a 2018 6mt.

    And yes. Rear rotor Just warm to the touch. But the front rotors are cold to the touch.
    Getnout likes this.
  3. Junglejeff1

    Junglejeff1 Long timer

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2016
    Oddometer:
    4,811
    Location:
    Upper Michigan
    Might just be heat off exhaust header and cat blowing on it.
    michaelkozera and Getnout like this.
  4. Getnout

    Getnout Mmmmm, Micro Brews!! Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2018
    Oddometer:
    346
    Location:
    Albany, Oregon
    In the midst of all this, thought I'd put a smile on everyone's face!
    Screenshot_20190811-202923~2.png
    I do love my Honda :rilla
  5. michaelkozera

    michaelkozera Long timer

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2015
    Oddometer:
    1,434
    Location:
    calgary
    Ahh. I never thought of that. Makes sense cuz the rotor gets to a certain temperature and never gets any hotter. It would be getting hotter over time if energy was being added by friction.

    Also. Swing arm is massive so kt wouldnt get hot at all.

    Nail in the coffin would be if someone else tested this out to confirm.
    Getnout likes this.
  6. Junglejeff1

    Junglejeff1 Long timer

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2016
    Oddometer:
    4,811
    Location:
    Upper Michigan
    Taking a short 60 mile ride tomorrow and will check that out.Pretty sure that it is as that cat puts of tons of heat.I was looking at rear pads today and going to have to change them out soon as getting thin.1st change was at around 8k but bike spent most of its life in dirt so expected that.Tomorow is all highway and will not use back brake((I mainly use front brakes anyway on highway).Just for the hell of it will grab a thermo gauge out of the garage I use for powder coating parts on bikes and shoot them.Slow day tomorrow lol.
    Getnout and michaelkozera like this.
  7. Junglejeff1

    Junglejeff1 Long timer

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2016
    Oddometer:
    4,811
    Location:
    Upper Michigan
    Besides my fork issues having a blast with this bike.I was thinking about the T7 but this bike has such a sweet engine in it.Spent most of Saturday laying down some pretty high speed miles and pushing my shrinko,s to there limit in the corners.Damn fine do everything bike.Going to be kept in the stable for at least 100k
    rbsride365 and Getnout like this.
  8. dwelds

    dwelds Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2015
    Oddometer:
    105
    Location:
    here n there
    I was gonna check mine yesterday but I kept using the rear brake. If no one else has I'll check tonite.
  9. dwelds

    dwelds Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2015
    Oddometer:
    105
    Location:
    here n there

    I meant to do this over the weekend but not using the rear brake makes me feel like I gone full retard.

    I went out after work. 2019 atas standard. My brake gets warm too. It does seem like it's from the exhaust cause the swingarm felt warm.

    I am wondering if you think its dragging for another reason? My rear brake has smelt hot before, which is weird cause unless I'm stopping in a hurry I use the rear often but lightly. When I was practicing fast stops it didn't smell but when I was riding around with the side cases empty it did. I was definitely working it hard practicing stopping compared to cruising around with empty cases... so far it's just once I noticed the smell but I'm watching it.
    michaelkozera and Getnout like this.
  10. michaelkozera

    michaelkozera Long timer

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2015
    Oddometer:
    1,434
    Location:
    calgary
    thankyou for trying this out.

    i did indeed confirm today that it was the exhaust/CAT heat that was causing the rear rotor/caliper to get hot. i know this because i put a big thin plate over the cat to direct heat away from the swing arm and the rear brake was cold to the touch!
  11. chasdog

    chasdog Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2007
    Oddometer:
    150
    Location:
    Sandpoint
    Well today I called Honda customer service to see what they know about the fuel tank issues in the atas and the rep. Had actually heard of the issue on the bikes.
    He had not heard of a recall yet so once again I am not sure why my dealer said there was a recall.
    He couldn’t tell me when the fuel pumps will be shipped but he did see I was going to get one when they are shipped.
    I got the address of 1919 Torrance Blvd. in Torrance CA 90501 to send my letter to Honda.
    He said a case manager will call me back with more information in a day or two.
    I’m also curious as to the percentage of ATAS bikes that have or are having the fuel tank ,fuel filter and pump issues. Any idea or educated guesses?
  12. Junglejeff1

    Junglejeff1 Long timer

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2016
    Oddometer:
    4,811
    Location:
    Upper Michigan
    Checked mine today and very little warm up at 30 miles.
    Getnout likes this.
  13. chittyrox

    chittyrox Been here awhile Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2013
    Oddometer:
    165
    Location:
    Midwest-ish
    My count shows 15 folks just this year who have reported the issue. All of which, like myself, who experienced the issue in 90+ degF weather.
    After a "new" fuel tank and fuel pump, it made it back home from a 1900 mile ride back...for now....
    chasdog and Getnout like this.
  14. Squily

    Squily Squily Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2006
    Oddometer:
    2,985
    Location:
    Esperance WA (Down Under)
    With all the fuel tank issues and people stripping left and right, maybe an opportune time to ask....


    So I dropped my standard DCT and now the insurance is repairing it. I would like to fit the ATAS tank and plastics, but the fuel pumps for the standard and ATAS has different part numbers. Logic dictates that it would only be the length of the arm for the float for the fuel gauge, but that the rest would be the same.

    Can anyone confirm or reject this? Anyone know of other issues we could expect with the transplant?

    Thanks in advance for any assistance
  15. Motociclo

    Motociclo Long timer

    Joined:
    May 18, 2017
    Oddometer:
    1,129
    Location:
    .
    Not sure about fuel pump, couldn't see it being hugely different. Side cowls etc, are fair bit different.
    No cowl at front of tank either. There are difference in airboxes, I think more internal though.
    Can't see it being an impossible swap, just parts.
  16. chasdog

    chasdog Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2007
    Oddometer:
    150
    Location:
    Sandpoint
    Thanks chittyrox! Nice to know how widespread the problem is. There are quite a few on the AT forum with it as well. Hard to know if they are on both forums like I am and how many others are out there and not inmates of the forums.
  17. pepebayeta

    pepebayeta Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2007
    Oddometer:
    637
    Location:
    Spain

    There are some differences in the looks, shapes and the way the plastics are attached.
    Due to the number of pins, tabs, clips and thight fit, there are chances that you either need to replace every plastic part or the fitting won't be as good.
    If the insurance covers everything, it willbe just about replacing parts. If you have to pay for the parts that need to be changed but are not broken.....
    Honda plastics are not cheap
  18. Squily

    Squily Squily Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2006
    Oddometer:
    2,985
    Location:
    Esperance WA (Down Under)


    Following will replaced anyway:
    • Light/instrument tower is bent, so nothing lines up.
    • Both side fairings and some other bits and bobs inside which I'm not sure about.
    • Tank
    • Screen
    • Heated grips
    • Crash bars
    • Front mudguard

    This is what we're looking at:
    • ATAS tank is about $600 more than standard. But I reckon this would be a much better bet than the piece-of-crap Safari came up with if it'll fit without too much hassle
    • If tank is ATAS, then change fairings and screen to ATAS so all match up and colour-scheme is the same
    • I'm exchanging the OEM heated grips for Oxford.
    • Still chasing crashbars. Thinking Altrider but looks like Heed would be the most cost-effective - already got a quote back from them. Anyone have a bad experience with Heed?
    • Stick to YZF front high-guard

    Since ATAS is not common in WA (to the best of my knowledge its not even offered for sale here in the west), dealer has to chase parts availability etc. Big crunch is the fuel pump - if I have to replace the fuel pump as well, then it would not be financially viable. In that case I'd be better off getting the old tank back and stretching that
  19. chittyrox

    chittyrox Been here awhile Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2013
    Oddometer:
    165
    Location:
    Midwest-ish
    Definately a must on switching the OEM Honda heated grips with Oxford. Much better thought out..

    As for the fuel pump...what I can tell you is that the fuel pumps between the AT & ATAS models do interchange. There might be some slight switch overs, but I have seen somebody switch over the fuel pump from an AT to the ATAS DCT. PM me if you would like to discuss more.
    Squily likes this.
  20. chasdog

    chasdog Been here awhile

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2007
    Oddometer:
    150
    Location:
    Sandpoint
    I bought my 2019 ATAS from a dealer in Spokane WA.