2018-2019 Africa Twin Adventure Sports

Discussion in 'Japanese polycylindered adventure bikes' started by cabanza, Nov 6, 2017.

  1. dwelds

    dwelds Been here awhile

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    Can't compare something being broke to regular maintenance.
  2. Cuchulainn

    Cuchulainn Y.Me Supporter

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    Of course, even if by doing it yourself you haven't been affected from Honda's perspective, you could still file a report with NHTSA and have it counted there.
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  3. Olde Phart

    Olde Phart Olde Phart

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    I appreciate your suggestion but I will defer given my particular animus for the NHSTA as no friend of the motorcycling community.

    I had my fill of them when Joan Claybrook blew over two million taxpayer dollars trying to design a motorcycle that steered with the rear wheel (despite physicists telling her it wouldn't work) and them engaging in statistical fraud to perpetuate the national 55 mph speed limit that I loathed with a passion unbounded.

    But that's just me ... :-)

    Good safety nanny nullification to ya!
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  4. redneckmech

    redneckmech No burrito left behind!

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    Honda did mine the first time, I did it right the second. Took a while lot less time for me to do it than it took Honda.. Bike was down for two weeks at the dealership and I had it done on about two days and that includes sealing the tank.
    I don't like having others work on my vehicles and this just reenforced it. If ya didn't want to pull it apart and seal it it would be a pretty easy task to just swap the filter a couple times until flakes stopped coming through.
    Everyone has their own way of approaching the issue be it having Honda fix it, swapping filters, installing a prefilter, vinegar in the tank, sealing it or all of the above!
    I am disappointed to hear that Honda has not addressed the issue for the 2020 but it has been great seeing everyone's ingenuity and problem solving skills in action.
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  5. windowto

    windowto Long timer

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    Could you share your method and, maybe, pictures, if you got them? I have a 2016 DCT and seriously considering the 2020 ATAS, but dreading the potential tank problems. If I knew I could potentially fix it once and for all, I would be more encouraged.

    Thank you
  6. redneckmech

    redneckmech No burrito left behind!

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    I wrote it up in this thread a year or so ago. Posts number 2488, 2513 and 2547

    https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/to...&share_fid=14159&share_type=t&link_source=app

    https://advrider.com/f/index.php?posts/38156081

    https://advrider.com/f/index.php?posts/38202402

    Hopefully the links work, trying to pull them from my phone.
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  7. Mitch-DirtRider

    Mitch-DirtRider If it has two wheels, I’m on it!

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    Hey all, I recently experienced fuel starvation issues on my 2018 ATAS unaware of any such a problem prior. So I pulled the tank and had a peek and found loads of the white stuff! Then I got even more curious and jumped online and found some of you had the same problem with the flakes and that miserable black slime!

    So I opened the fuel pump up and man, no wonder she was down on power and hesitating - that sludgy goop got everywhere. I back flushed the teabag pre filter until it was white again, almost. Did the same with the filter inside the plastic housing. Cleaned up everything else I could get to.

    Bolted it all back up and took it for a spin and presto, the acceleration difference was unreal!

    I had to flush the tank about 30 times to clear much of it but I know it’s still in there on the welds that I can’t see or get to. I’d probably say there’s not much left because my final rinses didn’t have many of those flakes of doom. My tank flush technique was with fuel. I’d drop say half a litre in, shake it around, use my reverse fluid pump to suck the dirty fuel out, filter it back into the fuel container and repeat. Lots.

    I’m not the moaning type when it comes to motorcycles, I’ve had loads and they all tend to have the odd issue, I have a Harley and Ducati as my main bikes atm so I’m not unfamiliar with issues.... my Harley had to have a vent hole drilled into the primary to stop me losing tranny oil. For the time being I’m mobile again and I’ll call Honda Australia because it would have been nice to have been informed of this potentially dangerous condition before experiencing it on a killer road. I’ll also log a case with the dealer while I’m inside warranty. Because I think it’s a safety concern I’ve logged it with Department of Infrastructure and Transport because having fueling problems at speed on the Barton Highway into Canberra is not such a fun time.

    Other than this, the ATAS is a sweet machine. Maybe the grip heaters could be warmer but that’s splitting hairs.

    Thanks to all those folks who have documented this issue here on ADVR - really helped me understand what’s going on. Should have joined earlier!

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  8. NCD

    NCD Dirty Hairy Supporter

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    Maybe I missed this in the thread, but once this material flakes off the welds...has anyone seen rust or anything develop along the seams? Wondering what happens in the longer term without the coating.
  9. docgonzo

    docgonzo Old Gadfly

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    Tried to get through this thread about the ATAS fuel filter issue, but am not an engineer.
    Is this a problem just with this model? I haven't had any problems with my 2016 AT with DCT that now has 39,000 miles.
    Was it the different tank on the AS that was the problem? Wasn't it recalled by Honda?
  10. redneckmech

    redneckmech No burrito left behind!

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    This problem is only related to the ATAS, standard models are unaffected. It was never recalled by Honda but it is covered under warranty.

    I have never heard of any rust forming and it likely wouldn't unless you had some contaminated fuel or the bike sat for extended periods. I can't really speak for my machine as I coated the inside of the tank 15k ago and have had no issues since.
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  11. Pcfly

    Pcfly Dude?! Seriously?? Supporter

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    Yup, as mentioned on the previous thread, only on the ATAS. The issue showed on the 2018 ATAS but its continuing to show up and a few weeks back showed up on the AT FB page on a 2020 ATAS. Nobody seems to know exactly if its a paint overspray at the factory, a lining in the tank or metal flaking off from welds in the tank. I've even read some people believe its fuel related but nothing confirmed. I have a 2016 AT and 30K......zero issues. A friend has a 2018 ATAS and he had the issue. He replaced the fuel pump, dded a sock and cleaning out the tank. So far no other issues.:dunno
  12. North6633

    North6633 Long timer

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    My 2019 ATAS is in the shop for that issue right now. Have about 2700 miles on it.

    The shop said they had two other bikes over the last year that had the same issue. See what they come back with as a fix.

    It's more than just inconvenience it's a safety issue mine decided to cut out and give problems on the interstate in full traffic at 70 mph while I was in the middle lane. So going from 70 to 40 in that situation is not much fun.
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  13. Getnout

    Getnout Mmmmm, Micro Brews!! Supporter

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    I've got the dreaded '18 ATAS and yes I delt with this tank garbage. I was on the Oregon BDR and with out warning, experienced major power loss. I could shut the bike down, restart and take off for awhile. Ugh........ Frustrating. Once home, did the Tank cleaning, Double filter sock, and as of now no issue. September 15th, gonna finish up the Oregon BDR so I'll let ya know how it goes. I'm confident my tank cleaning and a way larger filter surface will do the trick but time will tell and I definitely won't hold back. This is so frickin stupid for us to be dealing with...... Really! Come on Honda.......... Get this Shit right! IMG_20190816_161514.jpg
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  14. windowto

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    I decided to forgo the 2020 ATAS in hopes that the 2021 might fix it, but not holding my breath. I agree, it is insane to have this on a NEW Honda :becca. Even more insane to have this third year in the row :muutt!
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  15. DSM8

    DSM8 Where fun goes to die....

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    My solution after all the work I did to the bike and realizing it was never to be what I wanted out of it was to move on to another bike.
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  16. twinrider

    twinrider Pass the catnip

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    Yeah, it's understandable to have a batch of bad tanks, but you'd think Honda would change the production process to eliminate the issue.
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  17. Getnout

    Getnout Mmmmm, Micro Brews!! Supporter

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    ........... And while they were at it, lets think about a plastic, lighter tank too. :jack. I would love that.
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  18. slipknot

    slipknot Hello Girls

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    So long as those plastics are not of the same swell :D recipe that found their way to Ducati.
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  19. Schlug

    Schlug JockeyfullofBourbon

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    Came to the this thread after mulling over the 701, the 850GS, the AT, the Tenere, etc.

    While here I stumbled on easily one of the most confusing and illogical posts I have read in a long while. But, at least we know where this fellow stands. :norton
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  20. Olde Phart

    Olde Phart Olde Phart

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    No worries, in reading your posting history I can see that you are easily confused ...

    Good escaping being held prisoner by your own lilliputian imagination to ya!