2018 WR250R and KLX250 announced.

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  1. malignity

    malignity Wonton

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    Both announced today. Check their websites.

    KLX looks to be 304 wet weight. Heavier than the WRR, lighter than CRF250L.

    Meh...
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    At least the KLX is Fi
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    And there it is. The fuel injected KLX that everyone was asking for.
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    WRR is only available in Aussieland
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    DIRTLER Been here awhile

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    Where is the KLX Rally!
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  9. malignity

    malignity Wonton

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    So in short for 2018:

    Little blue cow: now with better emission standards. Is the lightest and most revvy cow.
    Little green cow: Better seat height than blue cow, weighs a little more than blue cow. This cow now has fuel injection. Fancy.
    Little red cow: Has rally options. Is the heaviest of the small cows and has the worst suspension of the japanese 250 cow series.
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    For cows sake stop it!
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    You forgot the little brown cow.

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    You best get in line to order one then !!! Please let us know how that works for ya

    Im only repeating what I was told via internet :deal Dont hate the messenger
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  14. OSR

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    MX bikes used to be 225 lbs in the 80s. The 250s.

    Now 450s are pushing 250lbs. Check out the Rmz and YZF...hell all of them.

    Everything is turning into a little cow or pig, weightwise.
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  15. GR0NK

    GR0NK Got some screws loose!

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    No.

    2017 KTM 450SXF is 222lbs dry. 235 ready to race. Moosecan's bike weighs 221lbs after a race, maybe 220.5lbs. :wink:



    Sean :D
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  16. Dr0

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    You can't really compare factory numbers from different eras. The whole dry/wet weight thing was a total game in the 1980s, and stayed that way for a long time. I remember Cycle World running an article about how they got these amazingly low weights back in the day: many times bikes were weighed without stuff like oil, and of course no gas.

    Legal departments for American subsidiaries now frown on those sort of games. (Think about the multi-billion dollar settlement that Volkswagen is paying customers for cheating/lying about MPG on their diesels!) On race bikes there might be a little more leeway, they aren't DOT certified.

    The weight gain that people are attributing to the KLX is probably mostly due to: the new model has a new weighing methodology. The asterisk for wet weight (not dry weight as in the old days) reads: "**Curb weight includes all necessary materials and fluids to operate correctly, full tank of fuel (more than 90 percent capacity) and tool kit (if supplied)."

    Wow! That is incredibly specific. It sounds like a lawyer and an engineer got together and wrote that after over-ruling the product marketing guy. And the KLX does have a tool kit, right?

    The KLR-650 weighs in at 432 lbs with the same disclaimers. (Anyone have an old brochure for that bike around, the current model is pretty old and unchanged).

    The Yamaha WR-250R claims 295 lbs "wet".

    A gallon of gas is 6.3 lbs, so if the Yamaha protocol is to weigh the bike with a minimal amount of fuel (a fairly common way of measuring wet weight in the recent past) the 2.0 gallons to get it to full would add 12.6 lbs to the weight of the bike. (That would make it's weight 307 lbs.)

    You can weigh your motorcycle with two ordinary bathroom scales, one under each wheel.
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  17. Nesquik

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    So they aren't heavy then, cool

    :rofl
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  18. Dr0

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    250 2-stroke vs. 450-4 stroke, it's amazing that are that close.

    Here are some weights I got off the web just now:

    The 2018 YZ-250 is 227 lbs "wet".
    The 2018 KTM 250 SX is 210 lbs "ready to race, no fuel"

    So: 2 strokes weigh the same as they did in the 1980s, or less. They haven't gotten piggy, in fact if you go with your 225lbs number the KTM is 6.6% less "piggy". Not huge, but notable.

    Lets look at the 4 stroke 250s, a better apple-to-apples comparo then big 4strokes w/ small 2strokes, in a lot of ways.

    Yamaha YZ-250 F is 231 lbs "wet".
    KTM SX-250 SX-F is 216.5 lbs "ready to race, no fuel"

    So, even there the lightest bikes now (like KTM) are lighter than the average 225 lbs 1980s 250cc. About 3.5% lighter (assuming that the 1980s weighing methods were at least as favorable as KTM's current ones).

    The Yamaha YZ 450 F is 245lbs, that is a bit more than even older YZ 450s claimed, but I'm not sure it's not the legal departments doing.

    The KTM 450 SX-F is listed as 222 lbs "ready to race, no fuel".

    Of course the thread is really about dual sports.

    It would be interesting to get accurate ready-to-ride weights for both old and new 250cc dual sports. We only have one to check against, the "Brown Cow", old tech Yamaha XT 250. Yamaha gives a wet weight number of 291 lbs, just four pounds under the massively more capable WR-R.

    Of course back in the 1980s the XT you wanted was the 350. (Everyone's consensus best size for dual sports back then). And that would have been quite a bit heavier than todays WR-R, while probably putting out about the same amount of power (albeit with a lot more low end grunt).
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  19. GR0NK

    GR0NK Got some screws loose!

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    Yeah but we haven't determined yet if they're less heavy or moar lightweight. :hmmmmm



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  20. wiswoodsguy

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    Well good for them then.

    Maybe they reconsidered because of the other Japanese companies finally making a bike that could possibly compare to the WRR. I know I'll be on pins and needles waiting for the WRR-KLX-CRFL shootout :raindance

    I thought I read it here, in more than one thread, that they had discontinued the WRR
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