2019-2020 CB650R and CBR650R

Discussion in 'Road Warriors' started by cabanza, Jul 26, 2018.

  1. Cactus67

    Cactus67 Been here awhile Supporter

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    Gotta add ABS to the CB for pricing apples to apples, which makes it a $750 spread.

    Other than likely being cheaper for dealer service, I don’t see the Honda beating the street triple in any way.

    I’m curious to see if the sales match the hype on these. I think when it comes time to get their wallets out, most guys shopping for 650’s will opt for the lighter, much cheaper - but every bit as fun at sane street speeds - MT/SV/Z650.
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  2. cabanza

    cabanza Smooth is Fast

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    I rode the old 675 and I used to own a Speed Triple. Don't get me wrong, the Triumphs are fun. I still don't think they're worth the extra money over Hondas.

    Plus the 675 cc only made 77 HP around 11,000 RPM. That's almost 20 HP less than the 649 cc inline 4. So, no, thanks.
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  3. AwDang

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    Your numbers don’t jive with the bikespecs web site
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  4. cabanza

    cabanza Smooth is Fast

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    The ABS model is only $300 more than the base model. That's still a $1,000 difference. Plus you don't have to get ABS with the Honda. I like that choice.

    You can't compare a 765 cc to a 649 cc. If Honda had made their CB a 750 (749), I don't see the Triumph beat the Honda in any way.

    The rest is in the engine configuration. Do you want an inline 4? A parallel twin? A V twin? There are choices in the 600-650 class.
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  5. cabanza

    cabanza Smooth is Fast

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    You are right. I must have seen kW and not HP.
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  6. AwDang

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  7. cabanza

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    Do you have a Street Triple? I mean, by all means, go ride it or go get yourself one. I'm not holding you back.
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  8. AwDang

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    Kinda irrelevant reply there bub.
    Honda brought this bike to market a few years ago in a segment that doesnt exist, or is even really desired. It’s a bike with no purpose. Ya can’t use it to tour with that silly short sub frame. It’s not performance enough to make a club racer or even solid track day bike. It’s heavy for it’s power output. So, the question is, why does it exist other than “because they could”?

    https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2015-honda-cbr650f-review
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  9. swimmer

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    Both bikes are built in Thailand.
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  10. cabanza

    cabanza Smooth is Fast

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    What does that mean "a bike with no purpose?"

    Honda brought the 599 to the US for several years. Yamaha sold its FZ6 for several years.

    It's just a mid-size naked bike.
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  11. AwDang

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    The hornet, FZ6, YZF600r were all capable of 2 up or solo touring. Very good bikes for their market segment.
    Look at the tail of these new “bobber-ish” things. Theres no room to put bags and go for a weekend. Theres no room for an SO on the bback. It’s a solo, bar / Starbucks / mustache wax saloon hopper.
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  12. Matt-J2

    Matt-J2 Been here awhile

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    Eh... The CB650R only weighs 445lbs (4.1g tank), compared to the MT-07 at 403lbs (3.7g tank) or current SV650 at 432lbs (3.8g). The 2018 CB650F weighed 454lbs (4.6g tank) so Honda has dropped a little weight.

    So it's a bit heavy compared to the 650s, but maybe not too much and it has +20hp to haul it. It's a bit heavy compared to the MT-09 and Street Triples, with ~15hp less to haul it. It sits right in the middle, and that's been the tricky bit for it to overcome since they came out.

    Having said that, I think both the naked and faired versions do have some bits to help stand out from the 650 crowd to try and be more attractive for the $$. There's LED lighting, USD forks, slipper clutch (Kawi has as well, not the others), slightly larger tank, and if you get the ABS option, you get switchable TC as well.

    I don't know that these are a slam dunk by any means, but they might be carving out a new niche. They're certainly looking better to me for that price than the previous versions.
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  13. cabanza

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    Look at that huge back seat! :lol3
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  15. AwDang

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    Stamped steel swing arm vs cast alum.
    Cheap peg castings vs nicer finnesed
    Steel tubular frame vs cast aluminum

    I could go on....but it’s apperant you are blinded by the Honda love.

    Good luck with your new bike.
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  16. cabanza

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    Thanks!
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  17. cabanza

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    Usually not a fan of the matte thing but that thing looks sharp!

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  18. DaBinChe

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    Same here and been bitten way too many times but still come back for more!
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  19. DaBinChe

    DaBinChe Long timer

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    the 599 was my first brand new bike that I ever bought. Did lots of road trips with it and at one point was my only vehicle for a year, had to get a scooter again after a year.
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  20. outdoorsman

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    I really hate that the rest of the world gets all the models and the USA only gets select few. :dirtdog
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