2019 DAKAR Route rumors.

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  1. Myway

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    Here we go.

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    I heard Etienne mention a lot of time Columbia, and several other, to warm up countries.

    The fact is such a hard Dakar as last year (2018) is only possible with lot of off piste area's.
    But where are they.
    Over the years, we still coming back to the same area's in Argentina, slightly different track and opposite rides. This is less for Bolivia. But mountain area is often same route. This gives long liasons.

    When comes the year that Argentina is not a part of the route. And also not spending $ to get it.

    Any news, we like to hear it. !!
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    Citing some news from Czech truck forum: Argentina might step back next year already as they want to host F1 round and to have two big events is just too much. Chile's again-elected president is interested in getting Dakar back to his country.
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  3. beechum1

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    I keep seeing stuff about chile, but that rarely works out. I'd age to guess same as always unless someone else steps up. I'd like to see the guay's included. Colombia would be some unique territorio. Ecuador would be nice to see once at least.
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    Unfortunately, the dakar rally became a political issue in my country.
    The event began to associate with the political right.
    The governments of the center-left coalition took out the race of the country (always with some good excuse).
    With the recent elections (and the triumph of the political center-right) it is highly probable that Chile will be incorporated, in fact, it is part of the priorities expressed by the new elected government....

    ..... and if you take into consideration that the first one that telephoned the quads category champion (Ignacio Casale) was the new president-elect (not yet in exercise) ... something tells you about it
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    Quiero escuchar los de radio caray!!
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    Here we go again Dakar heads! We MUST entertain our minds to not go crazy for the next 340 days! Here is an article that just came out to whet the apetite!

    http://www.elcomercio.com/deportes/ecuador-organizacion-dakar-rally-etiennelavigne.html

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    Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Ecuador and Peru are the five countries in South America closest to hosting the 2019 Dakar, "a puzzle" yet to fit, as defined by this Sunday January 21, 2018 its director, Etienne Lavigne, in an interview with EFE after the 2018 Dakar, the edition of the 40th anniversary of the rally.

    The task of Lavigne is that the Dakar always write "new stories" and the next script that he sketches has a prologue in Santiago de Chile and a long plot from south to north of Peru, an attempt to approach his great dream, an idyllic ending in Cartagena de Indias (Colombia) that at the moment does not finish to materialize...............

    You would think that in South America they still have many stories to write. There are things to do and new stories to write on this continent. We have many contacts in neighboring countries such as Chile, Peru, Paraguay, Bolivia and Ecuador. I hope we keep the dynamics of surprise every year.

    Why is it so important for you that the Dakar returns to Chile? It is one of the first countries with Argentina to invite and receive us in South America. There was a disposition to do beautiful things and there are always things to write with Chileans because it is an absolutely fantastic country. If we have the opportunity to return to Chile, it can be a beautiful new story for us to write.

    And that story can start with an exit from Santiago. Yes, because we have never organized it. We can organize something in Santiago or Valparaíso. There are things to do in the fifth region and then go up north.

    How are the negotiations going with the future government of President-elect Sebastián Piñera? We promote and start the meetings and I hope that in the coming weeks we will have the opportunity to meet with the future Chilean managers to present a different project to the previous years, with a new organization.

    Until now, the Dakar in South America has passed in each edition for a maximum of three countries. Can we imagine a Dakar for four or five countries? Yes, we can make a Chile, Argentina, Peru and Ecuador, or Chile, Argentina, Bolivia and Peru. It depends on political power, because without them we can not build a new edition. It is very important to quickly find the people in charge of each country and present a project in order to seduce them and organize them with them. His great story to write is a Dakar that arrives in Colombia.

    We are close to see it? It is a very ambitious project. The idea of crossing the whole continent from Santiago de Chile to Cartagena de Indias seems very attractive to me. In 1992 we crossed Africa in a spectacular way. Doing the same here with the countries of the Pacific coast is a tremendously interesting project. It is a challenge because we need to align all countries, but with dreams we can dream. Without dreams, we can not do anything.

    Do you plan to increase the permanence of the Dakar in Peru to explore the north of the country? It is a project that we have. Between Lima and the border of Ecuador there are exceptional territories, and crossing Peru from south to north seems ambitious and interesting, but it depends on the format of the test: how many days, where we started and where we ended up. It is a puzzle that must be fitted to make everything fit.
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  7. beechum1

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    From las dakarianas facebook:

    DAKAR 2019

    Luego de diez participaciones consecutivas, el país que le abrió las puertas al Rally Dakar en Sudamérica podría, por primera vez, quedar fuera de la máxima cita del mundo motor offroad.

    Así como durante cada previa de un Rally Dakar hablamos de los posibles candidatos a obtener el título en cada categoría, tras saber con certeza quienes fueron los ganadores de la edición que acaba de terminar, una nueva lista de candidatos resurge.

    Pero no son nombres de pilotos, raiders y equipos, sino de países. Y para la edición 2019, que será dentro de casi un año, hay varios candidatos para ser los anfitriones de la carrera más difícil del mundo motor.

    De la alegría de formar parte de un nuevo Rally Dakar, el público argentino comenzó a pasar a preguntarse cada vez con mayor preocupación sobre el futuro de la Odisea en su país. Tras diez años del Dakar en Sudamérica, Argentina siempre fue uno de los grandes responsables de la organización.

    Pero el cambio de gobierno trae también otras prioridades. El público fierrero se unió en los últimos 10 años y disfrutó del Dakar. Sin embargo la F1, la categoría más popular del automovilismo deportivo, comenzó a mirar con buenos ojos una posible sede en Sudamérica, además de la clásica de Interlagos, Brasil.

    Si bien desde la cartera de Turismo del Gobierno de la Nación hay interés en mantener el Dakar dentro de las actividades que muestren gran parte de la Argentina al mundo, todo parece indicar que en la Casa Rosada apuestan fuerte por la F1, cuyo autódromo se encuentra en Capital Federal, favoreciendo también los intereses políticos del Gobierno de la Ciudad de Buenos Aires, alineado al presidente Mauricio Macri.

    La decisión última será de ellos. Mientras tanto, se especula con el regreso de Chile para la largada, la continuidad de Perú y la incorporación de Ecuador. Bolivia es otro país que tiene una incógnita, a pesar del entusiasmo que genera en su presidente Evo Morales cada vez que el Dakar se acerca por esos lados.

    La idea sería comenzar en Chile, subir a Perú por el pacífico y finalizar en Quito, aunque no hay certezas de que Ecuador pueda pagar la fiesta. Por esto último, Argentina podría aparecer con dos o tres etapas en el norte, antes de que el Dakar se dirija al desierto peruano.

    En febrero, ASO aprovechará para reunirse con los diferentes representantes de cada nación, por lo que recién en marzo comenzarán a vislumbrarse los primeros datos oficiales del recorrido.
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    Is it the 2019 planning thrad... already...??!! :eek7


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    Peru looks good!
    http://rpp.pe/automovilismo/dakar/el-rally-dakar-2018-la-competencia-que-regreso-por-todo-lo-alto-al-peru-noticia-1101151
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    The 2018 Dakar Rally culminated in a positive balance for Peru, a country to which he returned after five years of absence. The desert gave back the magic of yesteryear to the competition that now begins to prepare its next edition. Organizers and pilots want to keep running in our country.

    The Peruvian dunes reminded the African geography, the natural habitat of the Dakar. The members of the Amaury Sport Organization (ASO) traced a route that gave emotion and competitiveness to a race that had six stages in the national territory. Before entering Bolivia, the competition had already registered an abandonment of 25% of participants.

    RPP News was able to follow the whole route of the Dakar Rally and collected positive comments from members of the organization, such as Ettiene Lavigne and Marc Coma. Even, many pilots showed their admiration for the national geography. "I loved the truth, it was a very nice part of the Dakar. When I went in 2012 and 2013 I really liked it and I hope we continue to see Peru on the Dakar, "said Laia Sanz from Spain.

    I think Laia might have something to say about being labeled 'from Spain' !! :jack:jack
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    From the 'EL COMERCIO', major newspaper of Peru from 3 days ago....
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    The checkered flag arrived for the 2018 Dakar, but after the podium the voices are immediately raised for what will be the next edition. If this meant the return of Peru to the ordeal, that of 2019 can be the confirmation of the country as a Dakarian.

    Still without official voices, the wishes are many and the comments multiply. However, there is something true: Peru filled the eyes of both the competitors and the organization. Marc Coma, the sporting director of the race, had already overtaken him when the race said goodbye to the country on January 11. "It's the level of the Dakarian profile," he simplified.

    Seen this way, the project that exists for Peru is that in 2019 it is the point of arrival. With the new government, only this edition was signed and in recent days there were talks to continue maintaining the link. But the lively national political world has not allowed more progress.

    "The competitors are delighted, the organization too," Coma told us in Arequipa. The door is open for the Peruvian desert to remain the protagonist of the most demanding race in the world.

    According to Etienne Lavigne, director of the rally, the departure of 2019 would be in Santiago de Chile, which would mean the return of the Southerners to the Dakar after three years. The new Chilean president Sebastián Piñera has made clear his desire to return to his country. On Saturday, he made a personal call to congratulate Ignacio Casale, winner in ATVs, as a sign of his connection to the race.

    The rumors indicated that Argentina could be left out, but in the inside it is known that they can not stop having the albicelestes, because they would have two or three stages, perhaps in the well-known and feared 'Hell of Fiambalá'.

    After the uneasiness of the last two years, Bolivia could be left out after five editions touching its territory; however, its presence is not ruled out yet.

    For Peru, the arrival in Lima would be to remember those moments of 2012 when from Pisco and throughout the stretch of the Panamericana Sur there were thousands and thousands cheering the delegation. The Plaza de Armas became the center of the party and the audience responded. Peru has once again become a Dakarian. That does not extinguish that brightness.
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  11. Yagua

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    A friend that finished this year (251 quad) was telling me that the talk at the end of the race was that the fiambala stage is a must.

    Speculation is a start from Santiago to Copiapo, a loop entering Argentina, Copiapo - Fiambala, and then continue north to Peru.
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    There must be some substance to the Chile rumors. The post event survey sent out today had some questions regarding returning to Chile.
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    Recovering well Bill?

    I imagine there's an avalanche of emotions after the race.
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    Slowly, very tired, napping a bunch. Saw the doc yesterday for my knees and neck. I have a torn mcl in the left knee and waiting to get mri & cat scan for neck. Doc thinks there might be something “significant” in the neck. I said it can’t be that bad I just rode 4500 miles....
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    This is from 2 weeks ago during the Dakar 2018, but perhaps is significant since there are no other rumors this week!
    Lavigne wants a Dakar 2019 that leaves Santiago, already contacted the future Government, and go through Peru
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    Lavigne stressed that Amaury Sport Organization (ASO), the company that organizes the Dakar, invited Chilean authorities to witness the development of the event in Peru and added that there is also interest on the part of Ecuador.

    The director of the Dakar, Etienne Lavigne, said he would like the rally to depart for the first time from Santiago de Chile and revealed that he has already contacted relatives of the government of the president-elect, Sebastián Piñera, so that the race returns to that country.

    He admitted that he would like a first stage from Santiago to Valparaíso, but stressed that even in two months they will not carefully assess the countries that can make up next year's route.

    He commented that they will shortly evaluate the six stages developed in Peru, but said that there is a very favorable assessment by local authorities.

    "If we have Peru and Chile, we can start to build the 2019 scenario, and see how we can put things together, also with Bolivia and Argentina, then we have to choose the countries according to where we want to organize the exit," he said.

    Lavigne stressed that Amaury Sport Organization (ASO), the company that organizes the Dakar, invited Chilean authorities to witness the development of the event in Peru and added that there is also interest on the part of Ecuador.

    The director of the Dakar recalled that the rally is very complicated to organize if it does not have the political support of the countries through which it passes, "with the contribution and collaboration of the State services".

    On the current edition of the Dakar, which passes through Peru, Bolivia and Argentina, Lavigne considered it "very interesting, with changes in the classification every day", and justified the higher level of difficulty of some stages in which always tries to surprise competitors .

    "We have a very open motorcycle competition, I do not remember in years this level of fighting between the riders," he added.

    On the withdrawal of Peugeot from the competition, dominator of the rally in cars during the last two years, the director of the Dakar commented that "there is nothing else to do" because they have already "completed their cycle" like other constructors did before.

    Lavigne announced that they will boost the interest of new manufacturers to compete with an official team in the Dakar, although it will not be for 2019.
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    Picking up on that last paragraph wonder where his "new companies" are going to come from?

    China? India? Surely they'd throw the money at silky way etc, I'd expect the current Dakar is a bit out of their market place.

    Also wonder where the money lies in this event. If the manufacturers withdraw from cars will/can it continue? Can the bikes generate enough cash to sustain the event? Just thinking aloud about what the future brings. Don't know enough about cars, I believe (and perhaps wrongly) that South Africa seems to be the birth place for many, if so it's got the eco on its doorstep.
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    SILENCE on the web about DAKAR 2019......

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    A bit like the Brexit vote - it depends on the question(s) asked - did it include the "net" benefit through the event - if there was one?:thumb
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    I think this is a Chilean publication, so take that into account... :bmwrider:bmwrider

    http://somosdakar.com/recorrido-del-dakar-2019-las-posibilidades/
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    The 2018 Dakar Rally ended and speculation began about who would be the host countries and cities for the next event of the odyssey of the offroad world. In this note, we review the possibilities that are presented.

    Every time an edition of the legendary Dakar Rally ends, fans from all over the world look forward to seeing what the next round will be like. And since the race landed in South America, back in 2009, it is the Latin Americans who have the most interest to see if the caravan will pass close to their homes.

    Although there is still too much speculation, much more than in other editions, ASO already declared a very high interest for a start in Chile. The trans-Andean country would be willing to receive this demanding race from the start.

    Even so, it is still not clear where the exit will be. On behalf of the organization, Viña del Mar seems the best place, but the government thinks that Santiago de Chile could be more beneficial.

    The first week of Peru was a success, at least for Marc Coma and Ettiene Lavigne, who were looking for a more demanding rally in the complicated dunes of the Inca country's deserts. It is almost certain that they will return there by 2019.

    Then there is the case of Bolivia, another of the historic ones in the Dakar since it is organized in South America. Everything seems to indicate that the height and the rains, as well as the extreme cold of some localities complicate the chances of the country of Evo Morales, who, in addition, had a political conflict in the middle of the last edition, with social sectors that opposed the race and tried to boycott stages.

    For the first time, Colombia wants to be part of the organization of the Rally. The Pacific Dakar has been in the ASO folder for some years, with the intention of taking the test to the coffee country and, why not, to Ecuador. But it seems that will be for future editions.

    Paraguay is another of the countries with a Dakar history, hosting the start in 2017. But despite showing a desire to receive the competition again, ASO made it clear last year that it has no sporting interest in running the race there.

    Finally, the Argentine case remains. At the end of 2017, it was speculated that, for the first time, the Dakar will run out of the country that received it in 2009 and allowed it to continue the historic odyssey that was running in Africa.

    However, with the 2018 Dakar underway, the rumor spread that, after passing through Chile, the Argentine north would have two or three stages, possibly taking advantage of the Super Fiambalá and Belén-Salta.

    Even so, it would be confirmed that the race would not happen, for the first time since arriving in South America, in some of the large cities of Argentina, such as Córdoba, Buenos Aires or Rosario.
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