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Discussion in 'Trials' started by Norman Foley, May 21, 2020.
Might see if that dealer in Gifford, WA has any on the floor geewizard.
He won't have any until September, he says. We are in talks....
Informative EM video:
I took a Father's Day road trip to the WA dealer for EM and rode the Epure Sport. I think it was a 2019 model. I was very impressed. There is NO lack of power or throttle lag. The electronic clutch was quite good. I held the front brake and slowly let out the clutch lever and could feel about 10 increments of clutch engagement. The bike is narrower than my Montesa and it felt lighter although it's only about 3 kg lighter. Is that something I could have noticed?
I used all three maps: green (~125cc equivalent), blue (250cc), and red (300cc). All three got the front wheel off the ground. The green map felt much like my Montesa with regard to front wheel lift. Blue map was easier to "get it up" and red map....well let's just say that IF I took Viagra, I'd throw the bottle away! In red map, I had to lean way forward when I cranked the throttle just a little bit to keep the front wheel from going too far up. I could shift maps on the fly just like the Montesa maps.
Overall, the bike felt very nimble even though the front tire was nearly flat. There was little to no engine noise feedback. The noise was from the chain and sprockets. I think we all depend on engine rev sound as feedback. So, how does one know with the EM Sport? When sitting still, I opened the throttle and heard little noise from the motor. The videos of the EM Race on the web indicate that it's motor is louder so that would give more rider feedback.
I was very impressed with the EM Sport and the electronic clutch. I thought it would be more of an on/off switch but it was not at all like that. It felt like my Montesa clutch but with incremental steps that were hardly noticeable.
I had little problems with balancing the EM Sport without the benefit of the gyroscopic effect of a running IC engine and it's flywheel. I read that the EM Sport has an optional flywheel available and I don't know if the one I rode had it or not. The EM Race comes with a flywheel.
The hydraulic clutch of the EM Race is about $500 more than the electronic clutch of the EM Sport. I don't know if it's worth the money. I'm told that the hydraulic clutch is for the experts who launch up rocks. That's not me.
Would I buy one? Yup. Will I buy one? I dunno.
As jonnyc21 says on page 2 of this thread:
"If the neighbors are not having an issue with the 4RT then based one the limitations of range on the EM Pure and associated cost makes me think it would be better to just ride the 4RT a lot more and put in some better back yard obstacles then spend the money on the EM...
I wouldn’t expect the primary skills of trials to come any faster on an EM then a Montesa and you would be re-learning the feel, sound, power, and clutch differences so it would set you back a long way getting used to something that different than the Montesa."
Those are very valid comments and I appreciate them, jonnyc21.
I didn't find it all that much different than my Montesa but I only rode it for an hour. I sure could get used to riding one.
Thanks for the ride report.
According to MSRP, there is a $1000 difference between Sport and Race.
A big concern I have is battery lifespan. I know of two early EMs here in Colorado that need new batteries to the tune of a "$4000". Might have something to do with the resale values.
Oset batteries a quite a bit cheaper from what I understand.
The WA dealer told me that the EM batteries now last for 1000 charge cycles. So, I cut that in half to 500 to be conservative and figured I could get 250 trials events of 3-4 hours each before replacing the expensive battery. Cut that in half to 125 (to be even more conservative) for practice and letting everyone else I know ride the bike (and there would be a line of them with my trials club). So, 125 charge cycles before the battery needs replacing. At 10 trials meets a year for my group, that's 12 years. Heck, let's call it 6 years to be conservative once more.
I could charge $5 for a demo ride!
I stand corrected. The price difference in the US is indeed $1000 more for the Race versus the Sport.
It's not the shipping costs, it's supply and demand.
Trouble is, I can’t import one from the UK.
US pricing here....
I would be in line too!! I would even give you $10 for a ride on it.
I don't think the number of charge cycles is the only factor here. I really doubt the two EMs I know of have anything approaching 500 charges on them. Batteries are getting better every year, so maybe they've improved?
As I understand it, yes, the new batteries are much improved.
Do I hear $15????
Friend who has an EM 5.7 built his own spare battery. I'm glad the hear the newr version of PELS clutch on the Sport has some feel to it. The older version on my friend's bike is off and on. I am very interested in the EM, but need to test ride the Race and Sport, before I spend that kind of money.
geewizard, what did you think of the fork?
Looks like a dealer in Mesa, AZ is going to carry them, about the closest to me so far.
I didn't feel anything odd with the fork. Felt solid if that's what you're asking.....
I couldn't find much info on the M4 air fork. Just wondering if it felt different than the traditional hydraulic fork, guess not LOL.
I sure didn't notice anything different and the bike bounced like my Montesa.
A buddy here in WA just convinced EM to fit the race clutch in their x-over bike.
The only electric I have ridden was oset.It was there most powerful model and all the settings were turned all the way up.Had a lag between hitting the throttle and doing anything that just did not work well for timing stuff.I would buy a electric in future if they work like a gas bike as sort of neat not to mess with fuel. I live in the country I don't have to worry about noise but there are some cool advantages to these bikes for playin in the yard.Will never get tid of my gas bikes but a good electric with a clutch would be cool.