2021 Super-Ten (T12)

Discussion in 'Australia' started by Precis, Nov 19, 2020.

  1. tHEtREV

    tHEtREV Encouragement award recipient. tEAM iDIOT.

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    I haven't looked at new bikes for a while but after seeing this I thought I'd take a look at Yamaha's website and they really have lost the plot.

    Look at the YZF R1M.

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    202Kg wet so 12 year olds are going to struggle to pick it up after they drop it, only 120mm suspension travel so it is going to hit the ground hard after hitting triples on an MX track, 130mm ground clearance so it log crossings are going to be difficult. It isn't a twist and go 50cc so you can't ride it on just a car license. 200x17 rear tyre? Good luck finding decent dirt rubber. Only available in black, seat looks uncomfortable, can't buy a bash plate for it and they are expecting people to pay $35000 for it?

    It does have Ohlins suspension though.

    I don't think we will be seeing to many of these out on the trails, MX, trials, or Pee Wee tracks.
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  2. Paul124ac

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    You’re a bastard Trev. I was enjoying that Coopers Pale.
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  3. flinders_72

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    If he made you spit it out he did you a favour :D
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  4. Ron50

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    And in the same era Buell got the Harley lump down to 175kg.
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  5. GodSilla

    GodSilla I did that.

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    So not agreeing with you is whinging? Wanting to see actual progress instead of more bling is whinging? I don't see the point of just swallowing whatever gets thrown over the fence with an uncritical eye. If it could have been better, and should have been better, I will freely call it out. And I have criticised other brands than Yamaha for being overweight and under-imagined.
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  6. Happy Snapper

    Happy Snapper GOMOB.

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    Answer is simple.. just don't buy it!
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  7. BergDonk

    BergDonk Old Enough to Know Better

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    Ditto, if you don't like it, don't buy it Tom. The market will decide anyway, and horses for courses etc. I don't take my S10 places I take my DR and I don't take my DR places I take my Huasberg, let alone the Scorpa I recently sold. But none of the latter are happy with the missus on the back cruising the gravel back roads either.
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  8. Precis

    Precis Maladroit malcontent

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    And then they threw out the anchor and put in a modern Aprilia engine.
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  9. Ron50

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    Hadn't heard about that, only the Rotax Helicon for the 1125 and 1190.
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  10. GodSilla

    GodSilla I did that.

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    I won't be buying one, and I did acknowledge horses for courses, your own testimony of pillioning being an example. I stand by my comments that it could and should weigh less in 2021, and Yamaha have just been lazy. Why do people get so uptight and defensive about that?
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  11. Andrew2

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  12. Andrew2

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    Put in 500kms yesterday on the big girl and all I saw were GS's and Africa Twins often two up having a great time. Basically these type of bikes are selling in droves and people are enjoying them which is why they keep putting them out. Without them I believe the motorcycling industry would collapse and you'd be whinging that there's no choice in bikes. Be thankful these people are keeping the bike manufacturers alive and competitive.
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  13. GodSilla

    GodSilla I did that.

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    Range Rovers in Double Bay and 6.2litre V8's in Western Sydney suburbs might also keep manufacturers alive and competitive. That doesn't make them rational or reasonable.

    Ask yourself, would 2-up be better with a bike weighing 30 or 40 kilos less?
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  14. Precis

    Precis Maladroit malcontent

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    Depends how much your wife weighs!
    But look at the number of SUVs sold which will never climb anything higher than the kerb outside Kindie - it's what people are prepared to spend their money on; my fat American brother rides a GS1250: the concept of taking it onto a dirt road makes him laugh. Similarly his wife's old Cayenne and now Bentayga - she has a Jeep for dirt roads but 'likes' driving an SUV and can afford to.
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    Not really, Goldwings weigh a bloody ton and they seem to be enjoying the ride in the environment they choose to ride in as do the multitude of two up Harley riders. It's horses for courses and about what suits your particular riding style. Not everyone wants a light weight trail blazer
    Me, my BIG (fat:lol3) 1150 ADV suited my cruising country dirt roads when I bolted from the club ride (because they all had road bikes) and met up with them later. To be honest it was the best part of the day by myself at my pace through lush green country side. Last Tuesday's ride with a mate on his T7 suited the 950. If I had to pick between the 2 it would be the 1150 because it suits my style of easy ( read mediocre ) farm roads.
    They are catering for all markets and there's no good or bad just what ever suits and if it doesn't, as said before, buy something that does like a T7.
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    tripodtiger Off riding around on bitumen circles.

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    T9 anyone?
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  17. BOOTLACE

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    By all reports, a rather excellent RTW bike. Particularly two up.

    Bit porky for me, but I certainly wouldn’t be knocking it.
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  18. Nogoodnamesleft

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    I agree that it could weigh less :thumb
    but it’s not just adv bikes.

    Most big 1000cc “tourers” have been a similar weight for at least 10 years.
    Big sports tourer like the huyabusa that weigh as much as a GS, have been the same weight for years.
    Maybe the manufacturers could bring out a lighter bike,
    but if it would cost more to make and if you have people buying them already, why would you.
    Shave just a kg or two every year, some new software and most folks are happy.

    if I want my GSA to feel lighter, I can always take my other tourer for a few days.
    GSA instantly feels lighter off road..
    Harley is 80kg heavier than the GS

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    Some people say they both handle like trying to ride a cow through the supermarket..
    But I just don’t see it. :dunno

    First thing is, my GSA is a different colour... :lol3

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    See, I don’t think they look like cows at all..:lol3

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    You’re probably looking at the pics thinking, oh your not very smart.. true.
    But give me a lighter bike and I’m gonna overload it anyways..
    And then after I drop it, turn around.. :lol3


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    nowadays I’m happy to cruise on anything, to my ability and the tyres on the bike.
    If I keep waiting for a lighter bike, I’d end up riding even less than I do.

    Me personally, I whinge more about seat height than weight.
    On a good day I don’t even have a 30” inseam.
    Wanna see funny, watch me try and back my GSA up when I park off camber.
    I can only tippy toe one side at a time on flat ground.
    Stupid short legs.. off camber I then look like a duck trying to ride that cow..:lol3

    meh.. I’m still smiling so all good. All bikes are fun for me.
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  19. fayeslane

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    If the weight of any bike wasn't stated, how close could you guess it by riding the bike?
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  20. BergDonk

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    and manufacturers published dry weights are fairy tale stuff anyway.

    My DR is just on 200 kgs wet ready to ride on a set of bathroom scales. Not weighed the S10, but by repute, its factory numbers are closer to actual wet numbers than the alternates.
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