790 Adventure coming Spring, 2019

Discussion in 'Parallel World (790/890)' started by Taurkon, May 7, 2018.

  1. Taurkon

    Taurkon Long timer

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    Reliable sources indicating the 790 Adventure will be spring, 2019, with the more street oriented version this fall. That's all I know at this time
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  2. Andy_L

    Andy_L Been here awhile

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    Hopefully there will be a 790SM at some point.
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  3. Deviant

    Deviant aka KTM 1290SAdvR

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    Reliable sources as in KTM said exactly that at EICMA last year? :rofl
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  4. Deviant

    Deviant aka KTM 1290SAdvR

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    23 minutes in. "Serial production in 2019".
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  5. Barekat

    Barekat Looking to get dirty

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    for more discussion...
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  6. SRTie4k

    SRTie4k Northeast Explorer

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    I'm really hoping for everything I currently have in my 1290SAT , but in a smaller lighter package (although I don't need 160HP if it weighs 100lb less). Here's to hoping that they offer a 790 variant with exactly that.
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  7. SteadyStare

    SteadyStare Adventurer wannabe

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    My heart desperately wants this to be the 400 lb/100 hp unicorn we've all dreamt of, but my gut tells me it will be a 450 lb / 85 hp version of the 1090 that will be compete at a lower price point and fill a market gap.
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  8. jstyles

    jstyles Been here awhile

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    I saw this at Moto GP a few weeks ago...

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  9. Deviant

    Deviant aka KTM 1290SAdvR

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    My gut tells me your gut is right.
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  10. KMC1

    KMC1 There is no spoon.

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    Doesn't matter anyway. No one will buy it because they all SAY that's what they want, then they don't have any money to spend so they will nitpick it to death on the interweb. Witness the 950 Super Enduro - the true do it all bike.
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  11. Andy_L

    Andy_L Been here awhile

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    As long as what you want to do isn't "reach the ground" ;)

    You know I think KTM got a bit middle-aged. They don't do stuff quite as crazy as the 950SE any more.
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  12. Mithos86

    Mithos86 Been here awhile

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    Different moments for different bikes.

    Ktm didn't have the reach it now has outside of the off-road racing world. The old reliability woes have gone away and the compromise has shifted from "It's an awesome bike but you need to be a mechanic to own one" to "it's an awesome bike".

    The proven reliability of the modern LC8s and LC8cs (the latter still has things to prove, but so far there ar no complaints from duke 790 owners and I believe KTM has sorted out their engine development quite well).

    I believe this bike will be the reference of its class.
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  13. rick danger

    rick danger The further adventures of

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    Seems the weight and hp will tell the tale. I dont think the 1090 hp loss over the 1290 is worth the weight loss.
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  14. kokos79

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    I don't think the 1090 was ever meant to be a lighter/underpowered 1290. It was meant to be a highly powered 1000cc bike (20hp more than what all other 1000cc bikes in the segment normally produce), as opposed to an insanely powered 1300cc bike that the 1290 is... It was meant to be a market opponent to the long awaited CRF1000. It is also meant to be a more economical bike and -to put it in a very diplomatic way to avoid raising a shitstorm- a less electronically complicated bike that could provide a relative peace of mind to owners wanting to take it a bit deeper into the wilderness. :rofl

    To contribute to the thread's guesswork, based on the 790 Duke specs I foresee a 200kg wet weight and 100hp output. Why? Because I've learnt that manufacturers don't build bikes the way we wish them to be. They build them to make money, to sell as many as possible, to have a bigger share of the market. The market now is the new F850GS at 230kg / 95hp and -hopefully- soon the T7 at a guesstimated 190kg/75hp.
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  15. SRTie4k

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    http://www.ktm-adventure-rally.com/en/ktm-790-adventure/

    25kg/55lb weight savings is probably the key metric here. "Compared to current ADVENTURE V-twin models" would seem to indicate the 1090R, which is currently ~455lb dry.

    If they actually were able to accomplish their goals, that would put the 790 Adventure at ~400lb dry. Not too bad if you consider the beloved 950A/950SE were ~450/400lb dry, respectively.

    I'm not holding my breath, but I'm glad they're at least trying to build that unicorn ADV bike, unlike every other manufacturer. If anyone might have the ability to do it, it's definitely KTM.
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  16. Deviant

    Deviant aka KTM 1290SAdvR

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    Or they are talking about the 1290R... which is 30 lbs heavier. :thumb
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  17. kokos79

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    The 790 Duke has no fairing, a much smaller tank, much smaller subframe with no tail rack, no skid plate, and smaller, lighter alloy wheels. It weighs 375lbs dry. I honestly hope KTM make it lighter but I highly doubt it. It will probably be very similar to the 950Adv, parallel twin weighs less than a v-twin but then you have the weight of electronics. I can't see how you can build a bike with an engine producing 100+ hp and a frame capable to handle that power on and off road and keep it lightweight.
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  18. bionicman

    bionicman On your Mom

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    [QUOTE="SRTie4k, (although I don't need 160HP [/QUOTE]


    Pshshshs!
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  19. Andy_L

    Andy_L Been here awhile

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    The 990 Superduke was 186kg dry and the 990 Adv was 209kg, so that gives some kind of reference. Applying the same proportions to the 169kg 790 Duke gives 190kg for a 790 Adv, 419lb (which would be the same as a 950 SE). Might be a little less as the 790 Adventure prototype looks to have less bodywork than the 990 Adventures, and also no centre stand.
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  20. Tripped1

    Tripped1 Smoove, Smoove like velvet.

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    Electronics weight is negligible, my wallet weighs more than the motorcontroler on my Super Duke R, the new bosche ABS systems are a grand total of 1.5Kg including ABS rings, those rings (and maybe an IMU) make the rest of the electronics work.

    ...and remember lightweight is relative, when the "kings" in the market is the R1200GSA, 1290R, and Multistrada enduro....well

    If that 400-450 pound weight is an issue, welp, there is the 701/690 pair and the '17 ups aren't even pain shakers anymore. Not to mention that you can usually toss 25 pounds in emissions crap and a Lithium battery.
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