I’ve talked to two dealers and keep getting a lot of smoke blown at me. I’ve been riding for years and dreamt of getting an ADV. I narrowed things down to the F 850 GS and the KTM 790 Adventure S (R is beyond my skill level). I need something to do A LOT of 2 up riding. When I’m not riding 2 up, I’ll be off road doing scrambles and fun stuff in the mountains near my area. The KTM seems like a shot of adrenaline in an ugly package (I think the headlight is hideous), but inexpensive for what it offers. The BMW seems like it better fits the bill (comfier 2 up) and is more reliable but with a higher price. Does this seem accurate to you all? Thought I’d bounce my thoughts off people who were owners and not salesmen. Fun side note/story: I’m in my early 30s so the salesmen behavior was fun to watch. I was looking at a Suzuki VStrom and the salesman seemed like he wanted to drag me to the KTM because it was the better fit in his mind. The BMW salesman seemed overjoyed that I was the age I was, and wanted to go Offroad with the bike. Not knocking neither salesman, just a funny observation. either way, thanks all. I appreciate any help.