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Discussion in 'Americas' started by x32792, Jun 6, 2020.

  1. x32792

    x32792 Cracker American

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    Any stories or personal experiences on what it's like out there for travelers in the USA who stay in motels and eat at Mom'n'Pop diners?
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  2. Ernbo6

    Ernbo6 Iron Butt Association No 48951 Supporter

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    You must not forget to include protests/demonstrations/riots in this thread as well.
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  3. oldmanb777

    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism! It's a bad drug!

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    The Mom and Pop food places are trying hard. Most around here are getting it done. It takes more patience and a little more time to get fed. Not as consistent quality as it once was. I think some have actually improved food quality, but most are not as good. Prices seem to have taken a real leap. But when you can only serve a part of the mases, you need more revenue from each one. Time will tell how that shakes out.
    As for places to stay over night. Around here the motels are largely open, with some restrictions. The Short Term Rentals motels are another thing. But again they are mostly open with additional restrictions, although who is following those new rules is questionable. Things like the place gets cleaned between guests (as it always should have) but how well and by whom. Places now are suppose to stay vacant for a period of time between guests. Some are doing that, some are not.
    I think planning ahead far enough to make reservations for a place to stay is now very important. I never liked to do that, but now the proprietors need the advance notice more than ever. they need to be able to plan for the time between guests.
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  4. Gustavo

    Gustavo Motociclista Errante

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    Just to make something clear - we are not post-pandemic. We are post the strictest pandemic avoidance measures, but the pandemic is not gone or over.

    There is another thread about traveling and staying in hotels. As I mentioned there, I would avoid unnecessary risks of long distance travel. Yes, driving/riding is probably safer than air/train/bus travel as you are exposed to (and exposing) a smaller number of people. But if it's not "necessary" why would you? Yes, we can argue about what necessary means, and I recognize that it means different things to different people under different circumstances. So think about why do you want to go travel and is the risk really worth it. To you and to those you will be in contact with during and after the trip.

    Having said that I have been trying to support my local and semi-local restaurants by ordering take-out and, for the first time since March, this last Saturday actually eating out. At least in Oregon, I see people taking the recommended precautions seriously. The sit-in restaurant had spaced dinners so they would be at least 10 ft apart. Waiters and staff all wore masks, the place looked spotless. As I mentioned above, it doesn't guarantee anything, you could still contract the virus from someone who doesn't yet know they have it and are out and about spreading it unknowingly (because I ASSume that "normal" people wouldn't be out and about if they know they are sick, but maybe that's too big a leap... :dunno).

    Gustavo
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  5. tlub

    tlub Long timer Supporter

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    My question to this title is when do you mean? Not now, for sure. Now certainly isn't post pandemic. The headlines in the last 4 hours include:
    "Covid-19 cases spike in at least 20 states"
    "More than half of the states may be under-counting by not following CDC guidelines"
    "Texas Reports Record-Breaking COVID-19 Hospitalizations As State Reopens"

    If you mean when the pandemic is over, I think that would be after a vaccine. But not now. We have far many more active cases now than when we first started the isolation routines. Opening now just means we are giving the virus a real head start on another round. If indeed it's not just boosting the first round.

    Just think- in January we were thinking the wildfires in Australia were a big deal.
    Forgot about those, once Covid-19 came along.
    Now, haven't heard as much about Covid-19, with the protests in the news, except as how the protests may be helping spread the virus.

    By the time the pandemic is truly over, which I can't see without a vaccine or 'herd immunity' (another word for 5 million or more dead in the US alone), I think so many things will be different I wouldn't hazard a guess. At that point, I'd certainly plan ahead for food, and expect to be treated with suspicion as an outsider. But that's a long time from now, and hard to say.
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  6. x32792

    x32792 Cracker American

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    I am sorry for those who have died or lost love ones, but global death toll is currently 411,728. In a population of 7-9 billion, Corona or Covid is nothing like the Spanish Flu of 1918-1919 which killed 17-50 million...And this was way back when the total population was much smaller than now.
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  7. tlub

    tlub Long timer Supporter

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    You're right. It's not like the 1918 flu. It's more contagious with a higher death rate. And it's also not over. Don't go spreading it to others.
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    x32792 Cracker American

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  9. yokesman

    yokesman Long timer

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    the spanish flu ,it is was stated: 3 years, this has gone on but some 6 month. Drag it out for 3 years and it may.
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  10. HarveyM

    HarveyM Been here awhile

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    In Bergamo Italy, over half the population have antibodies to Covid-19 (meaning they're close to 'herd immunity'). The region's death rate puts it pretty much on par with the estimates for the 1918 Spanish Flu.
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  11. Bad Dad

    Bad Dad Been here awhile

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    Was originally going on a 17 day trip out to California, but they cancelled all my camping reservations. now going out to Montana, Idaho, Wyoming.
    Motels first two nights then camping, We'll see how it goes.
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  12. AwDang

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    @Baldy

    can you dispose of yet another Corona rant in a travel planning thread please.
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  13. guavadude

    guavadude Dirt Nap Enthusiast

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    You left off “as far as I know”. All the numbers could be wrong and probably are. If you’re feeling lucky then go get your herd on.
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  14. flei

    flei cycletherapist

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    :fpalm You're trolling. If you don't think covid19 is a big deal and you have no fears, why don't you just hit the road instead of posting a thread asking others about it? Then you can tell us all about your wonderful experience in your ride report....

    Do you think that it might be possible that there have been some improvements in health care that has helped keep the death toll lower than in 1919? :confused

    What is an acceptable death toll to you?

    "School age children more likely to be hit by lightning than die of coronavirus, Oxbridge analysis finds"
    Huh. I would have thought you were older than school age. If you are, wouldn't it be more relevant if you posted your age and what the death rate for covid19 is for people your age? :dunno
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  15. kantuckid

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    Alex Berenson's book toward covid-19 realities, has now sold over 100,000 copies after at first being canceled on Amazon until Elon Musk got his two cents into the discussion. Berenson's interviews suggest his book is based on what he found to be the best numbers available to make talk about covids leathality, etc.. As a senior who has a weakened immune system yet enjoy great health overall and certainly not in covid denial, do remain a hard critic of many decision made so far by politicians. Covid realities we saw yesterday while on a weekly grocery run and eating out for the 2nd time in months was this: At Walmart some clerks still wear masks, the girls at auto care battery counter did not but most other employee's did. At Applebies they had spacing and procedures well executed but makes for a wait when only marginally busy. Gas stations no body's using masks. The Amish crew whose been at our house for 9 days overall building a new metal roof wears no masks, pays no mind to covid or other "goings on" in the "media frenzy" outside their "world". A couple of the younger ones I caught up in conversations as we are retired educators and they had recently completed their 8th grade educations-they have not a clue to the covid stuff we are talking about and honestly it must be a refreshing aspect of exclusion of our "English" concept of being so well informed?
    As long as their horses and family is fed and they don't run out of bologna, all is well. These guys run on bologna same as the hillbillies around me, eating the stuff at each of the 3 breaks they take each work cycle. Green pop is also a staple along with snack foods. Flip phones become social devices (intended for business only) but you dare not tease them about their phones as it's a serious matter beyond their obviously enjoying them.
    They don't have to come into these conversations and pretend to have heard all the right dope on covid or whatever else will "fix our society"...
    BTW, We are not traveling for now but our RV is safer than motels/hotels no doubt?
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  16. ibgary

    ibgary Long timer

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    I did some riding and camping in Wyoming 2 weeks ago. Campgrounds were almost empty. Night 3 was a motel after being in the rain most of the day. Ate in a locally owned restaurant. Tables were about 10' apart and all employees were wearing masks. Good food great service. They seemed very happy to have customers.
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  17. Katabatic

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    I just got back from 2 weeks on the Continental Divide Ride up to Canada through Montana and Wyoming, and Down the Idaho BDR. Motels and restaurants were open everywhere. Most people weren't wearing masks and most restaurants, especially mom and pop diners weren't taking any precautions. Occasionally you'd find places where the servers wore masks and every other table was closed. The closer you got to a big city, like Boise for example, the more you'd see hand sanitizer and a couple of masks. It seems to me that people just aren't afraid of it yet in these places and that's likely because cases are low, to non-existent so far.

    To be honest, it was all a bit surreal for me after months of social distancing and self quarantining - like a COVID vacation in a way.

    I didn't dwell on it too much though, I was there for the riding and that is spectacular in that region, COVID or no COVID.
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  18. tellicotom

    tellicotom Been here awhile

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    Came back from 3 days on the Blue Ridge Parkway. All park campgrounds and visitor centers were closed. All private ones were open and had great business. Restaurants were open and most workers and customers wore masks.

    I'm starting to change my mind about it all..Even though cases counts are going up, it seems like the media has gotten the most out of this one and are turning their attention to current events. Back when Tennessee was having 100 or 200 new cases per day back in April, we were shutdown. Now it's 600 to 800 cases per day and we're Open for Business! I think we're all going to learn alot from this experience...

    How can we be worried about a 1 in 10,000 risk and ride a motocycle. ..?
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  19. Steve_h

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    Watch the death rates, not the tested positive numbers. The positive tests are going way up but, at least around here, death rates are staying the same or dropping a little. This tells me that increased testing is to blame for the rise in cases rather than an actual rise in the number of infections.

    I have only ridden locally but this hasn't changed my riding at all other than until recently I couldn't get something to eat and nobody had a restroom open.
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  20. ibgary

    ibgary Long timer

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    Well following that logic it should go away if we stop testing.
    "Stick our heads into the sand and just pretend that all is grand..."
    Steppenwolf.
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