AdamChandler's "Rosie Red" 2018 GS Adventure Build Thread

Discussion in 'GS Boxers' started by AdamChandler, Oct 4, 2018.

  1. AdamChandler

    AdamChandler Ascending n00b Supporter

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    You're absolutely right. $19K is around the lowest you can get into a brand new GS only to experience loose spokes shortly after due to a manufacturing issue of their wheels for which BMW will replace the wheels but even before the loose spokes-gate of 2018, BMW wheels are not straight from the factory and their tolerances don't require them to be. Nothing can be a perfect circle but Woody's gets it much closer. When you hit rut, pot-hole or log on a bike weighting 600 pounds before rider weight, you need to expect the wheel to handle this no problem.
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    Has it been established that anything HAD to be done? My understanding was that Adam thought it was a good idea given the loose spoke issue that some 2018s had to have Woody's relace. Then Woody's looked at the front and said 'it's bent' and straightened it. Do we know how bent? Was it outside of BMWs spec, or outside of Woody's spec? And how do those specs compare?

    I think it's great that Adam wants a perfect wheel. I've had five sets of BMW spoked wheels, all have been fine, and all of them endured a lot of off pavement with heavy loads... Woody's, thankfully, hasn't needed to bless any of them.
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  3. AdamChandler

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    Kevin is right. I want to be clear that I'm not being an alarmist and recommending that people have their wheels straightened. I'm saying that if you want peace of mind and have money to spend, Woody's to my knowledge is not selling snake oil. They're performing a service that exceeds BMW's own specs. For every set of Woody's wheels out there, there are at least 1000 sets of spoked GS wheels being ridden trouble-free that meet BMW's requirements. If BMW truly had a horrific quality issue with their spokes (2018 issues aside which are supposedly now fixed), the GS' reputation would be tarnished and they wouldn't be selling 50,000+ units a year. Most people ride on their un-modified spoked wheels for a decade without an issue and for that, Woody's service is a splurge only for people who think they need it.

    I'm still waiting for them to hop in with some photos and more info. in the meantime, they do talk about their process extensively in this thread and it's likely where moderators would prefer we discuss this - https://advrider.com/f/threads/ask-woody-about-your-wheels.145899/
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    We all know what happens now. I've got an errand to run at lunch, and there's a really good chance I'll end up pretzeling a wheel going over a painted line at 20MPH.
  5. Boxerbreath

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    I had a tech come to my house to check my wheels and he mentioned on his GSA it was about time to send his wheels out to Woody's for maintenance.
    This is a guy that works at a dealership and does all the hard case GS type riding. Point of reference...
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  6. AdamChandler

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    I was changing exhausts around on Sunday and figured it'd be cool to have a video of it:

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    Gadgetech Been here awhile Supporter

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    I don't understand why it isn't a warranty issue? :dunno
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    Only if you hit them square on.
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    Probably same thing as if you didn't like the (good enough) factory paint job on your car and had it repainted by a specialist...
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    I didn't think about it that way!
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    All bmw bikes should be PDI’d before getting in the hands of the client. A proper shop checks spoke tension as part of the PDI.

    Is there any way of finding out where the most complaints are coming from regionally? If so, dealerships in that area should be avoided.

    As for woodys, what is there process? I’ve heard loads of epoxy is involved...can anyone (ahem, Adam) explain what they do exactly??

    Cheers
  12. AdamChandler

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    The best analogy I've seen so far. Manufacturers will remedy serious paint / body panel issues if they exceed spec or have things such as trapped dirt under the clear coat. You may also be financially reimbursed but more likely, they just fix it locally w/ the OEM paint color done by a shop near you. Depends if this is a Ford or a Ferrari as per the treatment you receive.

    Same goes for the spokes. Are you under warranty? Is the wheel free of scratches or abuse-marks such as rock chips or scratches indicative of the rider abusing the wheel? Then you'll get a brand new set no questions asked but the replacement set may have the exact same issues as before just like warranty car repairs. Furthermore, what if the loose spokes issue rears its head 2500 miles from home, what if on my Trans-Labrador trip where the nearest BMW dealer was 20 hours away, first one spoke gets lose then 2 then 6 and suddenly I have a bike 200 miles from a gas station / tow and no cell phone service that won't safely move and spokes won't find tension no matter what we do.

    I have a BMW warranty where I travel but one I can't redeem easily without a huge personal expense. Having almost perfectly straight wheels that will remain true for quite some time from Woody's for $600 is worth it to me for that ease of anxiety.

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    As per the Woody's treatment, we're still waiting for a response.

    Why did I have my 2017 GSA wheels done? Because I actually bent them trying to install cold and non-lubed tires on the rims. I bent both of my rims and the cost of repair was around $900. ....7 months later, I totaled the bike in a crash.

    I wasn't going to send them to woody's on the 2018 GSA until I, like many others, experienced loose spokes 400 miles into ownership and a dealer says "here's a new set, you should be okay now" not very confidence inspiring so instead of waiting for riding season to start in April (very short in New Hampshire), and find that my 2nd set of wheels from BMW were bent AND they are now at a 2 month backlog on getting replacement ones, I decided to take matters into my own hands and have Woody's fix the BMW wheels. They can't repair or straighten every BMW wheel. They do reject some they say but they did these and found one was bent already and they warranty it themselves against further defects. AT least extra peace of mind that for my 16K miles of planned riding I have this year, the wheels won't give me any issues.
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    Which one do you think provides better sound quality b/w the XS and the 5D? Neither sounded great through the TV (I've got a soundbar and subwoofer) but maybe I'll try and listen to it with my headphones.
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    Entirely subjective but I personally think the iPhone XS clips too much (28-30 seconds in the video) and muffles too many of the highs (7 seconds). Apple makes cell phones that can pickup "Hey Siri" from across the room AND cell phones that can record Justin Bieber concerts 2 rows back from the stage. So their audio quality comes second to the extreme use cases cell phones have to adhere to..oh and be IP68 waterproof rated.

    The audio is completely untouched in the clips I put in there and you can audibly hear iPhone adjusting gains like totally overcompensating to reduce clipping.

    The Canon 5D while only a single microphone and a small one at that, I feel gives more warmth and balance but still clips a bit.

    tl;dr, I need a real microphone that isn't the Yeti Pro attached to my iMac. (sorry!)
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    I installed these Decals: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DWNY0A2/ref=cfb_at_prodpg

    Even heated up with a heat gun, I couldn't easily get the backing to unstick from the stickers themselves so I ended up tearing some pieces and alignment was totally fubared. These have now been removed from the bike. It's as if they were printed with incredibly strong adhesive stronger on the back than on the front. You can see how bad it looks in photos. I'll probably try again if I can find a different place that sells them. I love the look. They match the red perfectly.

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    Touratech's Final Drive Breather. Should work and do its job. Well made, overpriced, no instructions were included (typical of Touratech). Not essential but nice to have for riders who submerge their FD in water crossings often. Not worth the price I'd say and the tube itself is far too thick to be installed in a way that doesn't look like you literally rigged up a tube off your FD. If they made the tube small enough to fit int he paralever cover, that'd be significantly better. Will I keep it? Probably not:

    $79. - https://touratech-usa.com/Store/Fin...-Kit-BMW-R1200GS-ADV-2010-on-Oil-Water-Cooled

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  19. AdamChandler

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    Touratech Exhaust Flap & Starter Guards:
    $75 - https://touratech-usa.com/store/Exhaust-Flap-Control-Guard-BMW-R1200GS-ADV
    $65 - https://touratech-usa.com/store/Starter-Guard-BMW-R1200GS-Adventure-Water-Cooled

    I file this away in the bin of useless stuff I wouldn't buy again and seemingly adds absolutely no value to the bike in protection for the money OR weight and only acts to add billable hours to me when BMW inevitably has to remove these to do work on my bike in the future. Still, my loss is your gain and you get to see how they look on the bike. They come in black and silver and no, I didn't get a discount for anything I bought from Touratech. full price + shipping.





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    AltRider's Speed Sensor Guard. Well made, small discount received for purchasing this as a part of my "I want everything you make" purchase in October. useful, sure, well crafted, one piece of aluminum, quite thick without extending too far past the brake / wheel carrier. Could be useful as a protective bit but its one of those last things to do once you've successfully changed everything else modifications:



    http://www.altrider.com/altrider-abs-sensor-guard-for-the-bmw-r-1200-r-1250-water-cooled/pid/2533 - $26.38
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