Adventure Spec Magadan Panniers

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by Fern-, May 17, 2012.

  1. Ceri JC

    Ceri JC UK GSer

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    I really like the Adv Spec guys and usually find their stuff suits my tastes/needs. This seems a bit expensive for what it is though; for that money, you could get a Giant Loop Great Basin or a Kriega Overlander 30 (and a US-10 to go over the top to boost it to 40 litres) and have (a not inconsiderable pile of) change. Both of those products are real "cream of the crop" ones. I'd be really interested to hear: What does this offer over those that lead the OP to choose to spend their cash on these instead?

    Not criticising your choice, just interested.
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  2. ScottyD

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    I know nothing about the other ones you've mentioned, but if I understand correctly, the Magadans are supposed to be slash proof, and capable of being locked onto the bike (Pacsafe cable). They've also got dry bags inside, that you can lift out at the end of the day.

    I'm totally open to being re-educated though ( I was originally looking towards the hard Metal Mule panniers).


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  3. Chris S

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    ScottyD summed up the benefits of the Magadans. No bit of bike gear is perfect but this is one of the few items I know of that addresses the real world of overland travel rather than merely expanding next year's product range.

    For the only slash-proof throwover around, are Mags that expensive? In the UK they go for £350 while the Great Basin you mention in just under £300 and is not waterproof (I am told) and full of fail-prone zips.

    A Kriega Overland 30 are two small 15L bags that add up to the capacity of one side of an expanded Magadan and cost £190. The Kriega Overland 60 system - 4 x 15L + mounting plate that attaches to a rack - goes for nearly £500.

    There's a soft bags comparison table here

    It depends on your capacity needs, I suppose. I've used or looked closely at the bags listed in the link above and for the sort of journey Fern did I imagine your baggage choice is critical. It needs to last of course and keep the rain out, but it also wants to be easy to use day-in, day-out. Like her, I'd sooner have a pair of large volume, zip free, roll-top bags mounted low and whose capacity (packed volume) can be modified as needs change through a journey.

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  4. RidingDonkeys

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    Looking at these seriously for a Husky TR650. What kind of racks are you all using?

    I'm certain I'll have to fab something up, but a production start always makes things easier.
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  5. Chris S

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    For my bikes I made (will make) my own.

    You just need a high horizontal to get the hanging weight off the side panels (and pipes beneath, as on your bike) + a low horizontal to stop the loaded bag swinging into the wheel.

    Good DIY thread with lots of ideas and pics

    As you may have read in Cycle World April issue, they melted the new Giant Loop panniers they were testing on the Terra's pipes, so it definitely needs a rack but I've done the same on several bikes over the years. Soft or hard - a rack is the way to locate soft bags securely. Manufacturers who once claimed they were not needed (and whose bags I've melted on occasions) are now suggesting they are a good idea.
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  6. _cy_

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    USD has been gaining on Sterling ... does anyone know current prices in USD?
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  7. RidingDonkeys

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    $533, which included the British VAT.

    Been living abroad for years. http://www.xe.com is your friend. :evil
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  8. _cy_

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    thanks .. surely since it's coming to USA.. VAT would not be charged?
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  9. RidingDonkeys

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    I would hope not, but I've seen it done before. I think the current VAT for the UK is 20%. If they could exclude the entire percentage it would knock it down to 291.66 pounds, or $444.20. That's a considerable difference.
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  10. Turps

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    VAT has never been charged on anything I have brought from the UK. I have even had it refunded after I have payed the included price. After I forgot to to wait for the invoice.
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  11. JustRon

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    Based on stuff I've bought from EU... you don't pay VAT, but depending on the carrier, you may get a bill when the package is delivered, or a week later. I just got a bill from FedEx about 10 days after I received the shipment.
    If you have a choice between shippers, I'm pretty sure DHL does not charge any extra fees, but they take longer than FedEx (and a few others).
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  12. bomber60015

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    That matches my experience . . . . not VAT, but you may get caught on some import duties (which will almost certly be less than VAT).
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  13. lakota

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    if you go on the ADVSPEC web site and orde r it shows in your basket with 2 prices - with and without VAT. when you fill the shipping for US it gives a price of 291.67 pounds ($442.38) + 38.23 pounds shipping DHL. Total comes to be $500.00 (today's exchange rates)
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  14. bigdon

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    I paid about $500 delivered last year. I paid no VAT Taxes and have not been surprised with any extra fees. Shipping was fast!

    These soft panniers and Adventure Spec Service have both earned the Bigdon Seal of Approval ! whatever that's worth. :D
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  15. notrivia

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    Hard shells are too heavy and wide. They increase transitions and turning radius. I want my bike to be lithe and "flickable'. But soft bags are universally, in my experience, made to a price point, as opposed to being developed to handle weight. All mine broke they're zippers and lower attachments carrying about 30 pounds per bag.
    So Magadan, my questions: Are the bags bar-tacked for extra resiliency at load-bearing points?

    Will the top straps delaminate?

    Are they double-stiched?

    Thankyou for your time!
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  16. Chris S

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    That is changing now, and about time too. But even then, for years the best available bags (Andy Strapz, Steel Pony, Ortlieb) used no zips as they are always a weak point.
    Mags have no lower attachment which is a cop out. Their way is to strap it firmly round a rack, horizontally and vertically. Not so convenient IMO but lower attachments are easily added.

    Not sure there is anything to delaminate. The Mags use a 50mm strap on one bag with 'loop' stitched to both sides. On the other bag are two pairs of single sided 'hook', so the strap with loop gets gripped from both sides. I suppose the stitching for the velcro might eventually fray but would be easy to repair by hand.

    Personally, I prefer regular adjustable buckles to throwover as you need to fine tune the tension on the road depending on load or terrain. That is awkward to do with double sided velcro straps and a full load (imagine trying to adjust a loaded backpack with velcro instead of adjustable buckles). But with Mags you can easily add 50mm buckles like these.

    Mags are large capacity bags for long trips - if you fill them I doubt you will have a flickable bike. But securely fixed loads (hard, firm or soft baggage) attached low, forward and close to the bike (not like this) all helps, along with little or no weight on a tail rack.
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  17. mtncrawler

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    Can anyone who owns these bags comment on how well they cinch down when carrying minimal loads? Would like to know if they'd work for a long weekend trip as well as multi-week/month, RTW jaunts. :D

    Also anyone mount these up to the std Hepco Becker racks on a 650X (or similar bike)? Just wondering what mods I may be in for to adequately support and secure loaded bags.

    Still on the fence, but I see A-S is getting new supply this week, so now may be the time. Also considering the Wolfman Rocky Mountains....

    Thanks!
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  18. bigdon

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    The Mag panniers work fine with a light load.
    I use a RoxStrap tied to a Happy Trails Pannier Frame and go around the Mag Pannier. Cinch them up tight and the fit nicely loaded or empty. The really nice thing about these bags is the straps go behind the pockets. The front and rear pocket or usable no matter how full the bags are. The square pocket on the rear of the bags will hold lots of stuff.
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  19. mtncrawler

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    Thanks for the feedback BD..:D
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