Airbag Vest, ATGATT's New Addition?

Discussion in 'Equipment' started by Sailorlite, Aug 6, 2017.

  1. appliance57

    appliance57 Long timer

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    If you're drinking when you hit the ground you may be the first rider to drown on dry land :-)
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  2. Gone Troppo

    Gone Troppo Somewhat bemused observer

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    No way you would wear one of those things in the tropics....

    I have a 2 piece custom leather suit....it is a work of art...but I can only wear it for about 2 months a year here....
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  3. YourPal

    YourPal Been here awhile

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    Ok, I decided to get the Helite vest. I like the turtle shell aspect of it. It should arrive next week so I will post my thoughts after a few rides.
    Thanks for all the input .
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  4. Castos

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    Just placed an order for the Turtle Helite Vest
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  5. Gone Troppo

    Gone Troppo Somewhat bemused observer

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    In a few years, this stuff will be integrated into all jackets....it is compulsory now in all MotoGp classes....
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  6. TomServo

    TomServo Been here awhile

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    Just pulled the trigger on the Hit Air MLV-C. Full review will follow. I have been surprised that I haven't seen much in the way of complete reviews of the Hit-Air units, especially since there are a lot of Helite reviews out there.
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  7. Sitheach86

    Sitheach86 Long timer

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    Marketing. I believe hit air was created for equestrian use and transitioned to motorcycles. Helite on the other hand has several threads on here, an active vendor section, and a discount code for advriders. Assuming both airbag vests are the same, I can see why helite with all the website coverage could be more popular.

    My opinion. I don't own either brand.
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  8. longslowdistance

    longslowdistance Long timer Supporter

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    Why do you write "but" rather than "and"?
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  9. longslowdistance

    longslowdistance Long timer Supporter

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    NOT an expert, but I think the vest back armor is to protect the air bag from puncture ("turtle shell"). So maybe remove the armor from the jacket you wear underneath?
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  10. Hugh337

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    I have the helite turtle over motoport mesh jacket and pants. It does restrict the airflow some. But not enough to be a problem. I live in South Louisiana so humidity is the issue. To he honest, when it's really hot I don't ride. On the flip side, we don't get much of a winter so I'm willing to give up a few days of riding when it's stupid hot. The vest is easy to use, doesn't add any significant time to pre ride prep in my opinion. Thumbs up!
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  11. oldmanb777

    oldmanb777 Just say NO to socialism!

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    I recently bought the Helite turtle vest. It's nicely made. The replacement cartridges are $25. It's very heavy. You notice it when you put it on. Once riding the weight is no big deal, at first. But after a while, it wears on you. Like wearing a backpack on a long dirt day, instead of the bike carrying the weight. You will forget to "unleash" yourself from the bike. It takes a lot to blow the bottle, so the tether pulls enough on you, that accidently blowing the bottle is unlikely.
    It's also stiff, and not packable. so if you were to want to ditch it in your gear for a while, that's not going happen. For example, you are out where there are no cages (like that's going to happen) and you would like to enjoy the breeze a bit, it will be bulky and hard to stow in your gear. Mine is daylight florescent yellow, and very bright.
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  12. Sailorlite

    Sailorlite Long timer Supporter

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    "Once riding the weight is no big deal, at first. But after a while, it wears on you." In my case anyway, the bottom of the vest's backpad is somewhat supported by the passenger seat. So I haven't noticed it wearing on me even with long days riding. I definitely agree with the no big deal part of the comment.
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  13. Iron Cross Junction

    Iron Cross Junction Been here awhile

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    Because I was a moron. :augie

    OBTW, as long as I am here (again), my wife and I have been very happy with the Helite vests. Only "used" mine once -- in a hurried dismount too embarrassing to relate -- and was very impressed with its "action."

    And, in yet another example of my first sentence, above, I almost launched myself over the Potomac River bridge at Hancock, Md., when I realized I did not have the tether attached and tried to remedy that while moving. Stooooopid. That near swim has made checking that part of the preflight checklist.

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  14. ontrip

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    Any Motoair owners? So many options out there but Helite seem to own the market for now.
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  15. TomServo

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    Actually it was the other way around. They released their product for motorcyclists in 1998 and eventually released an equestrian vest in 2003. You have to forgive me, not trying to be a smart a$$ but I'm going to be reviewing the Hit-Air so I've been looking up info on the company :)
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  16. KingOfFleece

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    I have the Helight Turtle vest. I don't even feel it after 5 mi.
    At the end of the day-500 miles-still don't.
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  17. Shadow_walker01

    Shadow_walker01 n00b

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    Did you add reflective material to the vest, or did it come that way? I purchased a black turtle vest & it didn’t have any reflective material on it.


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  18. Shadow_walker01

    Shadow_walker01 n00b

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    This is exactly what I do. I removed the D3O back protector from all my jackets and just use the Helite.


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  19. Daboo

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    Hit-Air doesn't spend the money for the marketing. Cost is about $150 less.

    As for the backboard, I'd keep your jacket's armor in. The idea is to protect your spine.

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  20. S21FOLGORE

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    Wrong.

    Correct.

    I, too, am not trying to be a smart a%@, but here's the story most of you don't know.

    Hit-Air airbag vest was invented by a Japanese guy Kenji Takeuchi, back in the mid 90s. (1995).
    It was pretty much his personal project (in other word, it wasn't his job, it wasn't related to his business), and he nearly bankrupted while developing the vest.
    He had totally different kind of business (not motorcycle related). He did this Airbag vest project purely for saving motorcycle rider's life.
    A lot of time, work, and money went into the development.
    When he finally made the vest that was functional enough to be sold to the public, H*n&a offered him big money, to make a contract with them, so that they can sell Air-Bag vest as "H*n&a customer exclusive item".
    The amount of money that was offered was big enough to cover all the debts and there would still be enough change left.
    Kenji Takeuchi turned this offer down. He did not like the idea (of the Air-Bag Vest being used as some sort of marketing item. It would make his invention (Air-Bag vest) only available to the riders who purchase brand new H*n&a motorcycles at the selected dealership.)

    Instead, he started his own company(while still having the huge debuts from Air-bag vest development), "Mugen Denko", which is the company that makes and sells Hit-Air vest.

    Here’s the video of the story of this man.
    (Sorry, it’s Japanese only video, there’s no subtitles.)


    And, no, they don't do good marketing. (Especially, outside of Japan.)
    However, I found that their description being more honest.
    (eg, showing the test data done by the 3rd party. Not trying to make their product sounds superior to the others on the market.
    Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not bashing Helite, but, Helite web site says

    “TURTLE CE Approved Airbag effective in 0.1 seconds”
    A lot of people would think this as
    CE certified Airbag completely deploys (fully inflated) in 0.1 seconds

    but it is not....

    What does "effective" really mean? It's very vague, open to wide range of interpretation.
    100% effective, 50% effective, 10% effective ? They all can be called "effective".

    Hit-Air clearly says the neck support part deploys the first, the the body part.
    No CO2 based air-bag vest in the universe will fully inflate neck, chest, hip and back all at the same time.

    On Helite web site,
    No EN number shown.
    No 3rd party test data shown.

    If you are interested,
    here are the safety rating and testing data of Hit Air air-bag vest.

    here
    http://www.eggparka.com/english/test_data/2011jari/index.html

    here
    http://www.eggparka.com/english/test_data/airbang_sistem/index.html

    and here
    http://www.eggparka.com/english/data/shogeki/index.html

    All the test done by JARI (Japan Automotive Research Institute).
    http://www.jari.or.jp/tabid/200/Default.aspx

    Hit-Air’s chest, back protectors are CE certified. (as well as the shoulder and elbow armor in the jacket.)
    For example, their chest protector
    CE prEN1621-3
    http://www.eggparka.com/english/lineup/parts/index.html#hc

    Back protector
    EN1621-2
    http://www.eggparka.com/english/lineup/parts/index.html#3

    And, as far as I know, there’s no CE rating system for “wearable airbag vest/jacket” MC gear at this moment (still in draft stage ?) , hence there’s no EN number on the vest itself.

    The strange thing is, Mugen Denko’s Japanese version web site clearly states that their protectors are CE rated, but US version web site doesn’t.
    http://www.hit-air.com/lineup/motorrad-2/index.html
    http://www.hit-air.com/lineup/eu6/index.html

    http://www.hit-air.com/lineup/t202/index.html

    I suppose you can’t read Japanese, but you can see CE mark and EN number.
    In their Japanese site, they clearly say that it is the protectors (back, chest, shoulder and elbow) part that are CE certified.
    Not trying to make an impression of the entire vest is CE certified.

    Anyway, at least, they (Mugen Denko) are honest enough to show the EN number (so that you, as a potential buyer, will know which part of the vest/ jacket is CE certified), instead of just saying “our product xxx is CE approved (which does NOT mean it is CE certified). Again, I am NOT attacking Helite airbag vest. I honestly believe they both work equally well in the real life examples.




    By the way, I posted my review here.
    http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=75707.0
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